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Ultimate Ironmen do not get any functionality out of the protect item prayer. It does not allow them to keep an extra item.

However, they can still use the prayer.

Suggestion: grey out the protect item prayer and prevent its usage on ultimate ironman mode so that
1. People are more aware it doesn't work, and don't use it mistakenly.
2. It's consistent with how high risk worlds operate, as there's already precedent for it not working.
3. People don't waste prayer points.

Thanks.
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19-Feb-2019 02:32:35

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NonMax Jake said:
Miu said:
NonMax Jake said:
No support. They should know that they can't use it...


Except they can use it. They just don't get anything from its usage except prayer drain.

Hence why it should be changed so they can't use it, and/or have it greyed out.
Why? They can choose just to not click on it, considering it has no benefit for them... No need to make changes.


People could choose not to use the protect item prayer in high risk worlds, considering it has no benefit, but they have the prayer disabled in said worlds. The inability to get functionality from protect item as an ultimate ironman is a much more obscure mechanic, and not well known.

It would make sense if there wasn't precedent for this prayer being disabled, but the assets and code for disabling the prayer are already present in the more obvious risk worlds. It's not an unreasonable request to have the same limitations applied to ults.
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19-Feb-2019 04:02:34

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rishinger l said:
Oh yeah, but i mean hard core and ultimate both revert to a normal ironman on death right?
Meaning that once you turn into a normal ironman you actually have a use for the prayer, so disabling it for 2 subsets is a literal waste of time.


No, not at all.

Actually it's the complete opposite. Ultimate Ironmen frequently use deliberate deaths to manipulate their inventory. Ultimate Ironmen lose everything on death, even if the prayer is active. (Or they should, currently with the way untradeables work they're kept on death, which ironically enough makes inventory management MORE difficult depending on the task.
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19-Feb-2019 16:49:16

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Nikolas10181 said:
Miu said:
rishinger l said:
Oh yeah, but i mean hard core and ultimate both revert to a normal ironman on death right?
Meaning that once you turn into a normal ironman you actually have a use for the prayer, so disabling it for 2 subsets is a literal waste of time.


No, not at all.

Actually it's the complete opposite. Ultimate Ironmen frequently use deliberate deaths to manipulate their inventory. Ultimate Ironmen lose everything on death, even if the prayer is active. (Or they should, currently with the way untradeables work they're kept on death, which ironically enough makes inventory management MORE difficult depending on the task.


And why are we catering to something that was clearly not intended?


In what way is it catering? And how is it not intended? Is fixing a typo catering to people with dyslexia? It's a change to make it consistent with how item protection restriction works elsewhere in the game. If item protection restriction worked the same in high risk worlds, it wouldn't be an issue. It's a consistency fix.
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19-Feb-2019 17:16:26 - Last edited on 19-Feb-2019 17:19:06 by Miu

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Nikolas10181 said:
Because the current death mechanics are temporary?


Unless you have some evidence for the functionality of the item protection prayer mechanics changing in some way for ultimate ironmen along with death mechanic changes, that really has nothing at all to do with this thread.

Thanks for the bump though.
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19-Feb-2019 17:32:41

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Lu k e said:
Also @ MIU, fixing a text in a game im quite sure is not the same as adding coding to a game mode.
It was a response to a nonsensical "catering" comment. I wasn't comparing typos with development.

Regardless, as has been stated since the very opening post, the code for disabling item protection prayer already exists in the game and should not be very difficult to implement for ultimate ironmen.
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21-Feb-2019 04:33:01 - Last edited on 21-Feb-2019 04:34:15 by Miu

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Draco Burnz said:
If you cant help but keep yourself from clicking on a pray, even by accident, i dont see why jagex should have to go out of their way to "fix" your "problem".
They fixed the problem for pvp worlds, they can do it for ults.

Besides, "accidentally" clicking on the prayer icon isn't even mentioned by the original post, so you might want to actually look at the arguments being presented instead of mouthing off on what you know nothing about.
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28-Feb-2019 00:34:24 - Last edited on 28-Feb-2019 00:34:51 by Miu

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Draco Burnz said:
Miu said:
They fixed the problem for pvp worlds, they can do it for ults.


No they didnt, it was this way by default IIRC.

Same cant be said for ults.

Hence why theres no reason to do this.

I mean if they kept adding additional things to what ults can/cant do, it would get out of hand real quick.


IIRC high risk pvp worlds were released before ultimate ironman, which means that the code and assets for the non-usable protect item prayer were already available. Seems like an oversight more than anything, and that's what I'll treat it as until Jagex says otherwise.

Besides, this isn't adding/removing to anything ultimates can do, it's clarifying an obscure restriction that's already in place. Also see: slippery slope fallacy.
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02-Mar-2019 03:13:22 - Last edited on 02-Mar-2019 03:13:44 by Miu

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Draco Burnz said:
Miu said:
Besides, this isn't adding/removing to anything ultimates can do, it's clarifying an obscure restriction that's already in place.


Why does it need to be made anymore obvious that UIM cant use the pray?

Im sure once a person clicks on it once theyd realize that they cant use it.


It doesn't work like that. If you don't know how it works, this thread has nothing to offer you. It's already been explained, if you're unwilling to do the basic amount of reading of posts in this thread, or research for yourself, don't bother posting.
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02-Mar-2019 06:09:30

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Draco Burnz said:
Miu said:
It doesn't work like that.


Plz explain how it doesnt.


Draco Burnz said:
Im sure once a person clicks on it once theyd realize that they cant use it.


When clicked on, the prayer activates. Nowhere is it stated in-game that the protect item prayer does not function for ultimate ironmen. The prayer itself is active. There is zero indication that the prayer is not working, and the ultimate ironman unaware of said fact will not realize this until after he's died and he hasn't retained the item that the protect item prayer was meant to protect.
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02-Mar-2019 07:50:56

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Skysunder said:
pardon me as i step into this clusterfuck.

i would argue the opposite of the OP though. i think protect item should function normally for ultimate ironmen. the lack of a bank is already such a massive handicap that being able to keep 1 thing on death shouldnt matter by comparison.
That would be nice but I'm not in support of making the game mode easier.
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