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I've been seeing a lot of these pop up lately, and figured I'd try to make my own. Summoning is something I think a lot of us want to see, and it would serve as a massive gold and item sink, so long as it is carefully balanced.

Firstly, smart up on "original" summoning. Some major changes will be made, but this should give us a common baseline to work with as we decide how to make it balanced, fair, and-most importantly of all-fun: https://runescape.wiki/w/Summoning

The first problem I notice is that it's....

well, quite frankly, it's heckuva OP.

How do we fix that?

Firstly: the materials. Charms are dropped randomly, by any foes. That's fine. leave that. They would be untradeable, and do stack.

Summoning shards could be bought from Pikkupstix for 30 coins each, or mined from the obelisk in zanaris at 50 mining, which sounds pointless even before I tell you It's very slow and gives almost no xp, but on the other hand, they stack and the obelisk doesn't deplete, so you just need to move the mouse every once in a while (To avoid AFK logout) to make a teensy bit of money and xp whilst doing almost nothing! They would be tradeable.

Pouches no longer exist.

So, you know that blank tab? The one that does nothing? It would become the summoning tab. yes, I know it's the logout in fixed, but who plays in fixed? We can put the logout X in the corner in fixed, anyway.

Here, summons would be activated and deactivated like prayers. Spirit shards would be consumed along with summoning points and an item specific to the summon (Which can be noted) while they are active-charms would be consumed for special techniques, instead.
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22-Apr-2019 00:44:41

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Now, you might be getting the feeling that this new summoning takes up a lot of inventory space. Shards, several more items depending on how many summons you need, and a bunch of charms for any specs you might need. And you would be right. However, by completing the new quest "Obelisk of infinity" (Required to mine the spirit obelisk, more on that soon.), you can buy an untradeable charm pouch for 500k, which holds unlimited amounts of all normal types of charms besides elder (Gold, Green, Crimson, and Blue.)

It can be upgraded to hold all non-quest charms by paying another mil.

Next up, I'm going to look over the existing familiars, and then balance them accordingly.

NOTE: Instead of scrolls, charms are directly consumed for specs.

NOTE2: All summons vanish when you enter the wilderness, and will reappear only when you exit. They CAN be used on PvP worlds, though there may be specialized PvP worlds without.

Spirit Wolf: Fine. Its howl scroll could do with a very small, generic nerf.

Dreadfowl: Fine.

Meercats: Fine, but push its level to summon from 4 to 7.

Spirit spider: Fine.

Horny snail: Remove its item capacity.
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22-Apr-2019 00:44:48 - Last edited on 23-Apr-2019 15:20:47 by JoaoNoFind

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Spirit Pack Pig (Tier One): I was thinking just remove it.

Spirit Prayer Pig (Tier One): Nerf.

Spirit War Pig (Tier One): Slight nerf.

Granite Crab: Nerf to foraging function, and lower the spec's defense boost from 4 levels to 3 levels.

Spirit Mosquito: Slight general nerf.

Desert Wyrm: Slight combat nerf, and slightly lower the duration of the spec's stun.

Spirit Scorpion: Fine.

Spirit Tz-Kih: Fine.

Albino Rat: Fine.

Spirit Kalphite: Remove its BoB capabilities, and increase the strength and duration of sandstorm by like 3% as "Compensation"

Compost Mound: Remove the ability for it to fill a bucket with compost, and nerf the frequency of the items it randomly generates, but make it so you can place a bucket of compost in its one-slot inventory (ONLY compost), and eentually it might turn into super-, and eventually, ultra- compost, though it takes a very long time, and you have to keep it summoned that whole time!

Giant Chinchompa: Fine.

Vampyre Bat: Nerf the amount healed by Vampyre Touch (50% to, say, 40% or 35%), and a slight nerf to its combat stats.

Honey badger: Slight general nerf.

Beaver: Remove the ability to store wood inside it, so now you may only withdraw the wood it generates (Which is nerfed as well).Nerf multichop a bit.

Void Ravager: Nerf its combat stats.

Void Spinner: Slight combat nerf.

Void Shifter: Lower its effectiveness in combat.

Void Torcher: Weaken it combat-wise, and reduce the bonus damage from its "Critical Hit" attack.

Bronze Minotuar: Make it poisonable, and nerf its spec.

Bull Ant: Remove its storage space
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22-Apr-2019 00:44:53 - Last edited on 22-Apr-2019 21:11:56 by JoaoNoFind

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Macaw: Increase the cooldown of Herbcall by a WHOLE LOT (Like 1'000%), and nerf its herb drop improvement ability.

Evil Turnip: Nerf its combat stats.

Spirit Cockatrice: nerf petrifying gaze.

Spirit Guthitrice/Saratrice/Zamatrice/Pengatrice/Coraxitrice/Vulatrice: nerf its combat stats, and petrifying gaze.

Spirit Pack Pig (Tier 2) : Remove.

Spirit Prayer Pig (Tier 2) : Severe Nerf.

Spirit War Pig (Tier 2) : Severe nerf.

Iron Minotuar: Make it poisonable, and nerf its spec.

Pyrelord: Its passing for a tinderbox is fine, but remove the bonus xp.

Magpie: Nerf foraging.

Spirit Terrorbird: Remove its inventory space.

Abyssal Parasite: It can only hold rune essence, so its having an inventory is fine, but reduce it to 4 slots, and remove its combat capabilities, changing its spec from Abyssal Drain (an attack) to the new Dimension Manipulation, which increases its space to hold items from 4 to 6 for a few minutes (Still less than its original storage of 7 spaces).

Spirit Jelly: Generic nerfs, to its combat and its spec.

Steel Minotuar: Make it poisonable, and nerf its spec.

Ibis: Nerf its spec,and add a cooldown to fish rain.

Spirit Graahk: Lower its combat by a fair amount, and nerf its spec, as well as possibly adding a cooldown of some sort.

Spirit Kyatt: Remove its combat abilities, as well as its teleport, and reduce its hunter boost from +5 to +3, but replace its spec with Guiding Light, which temporarily increases its hunter bonus to +5.

Spirit Larupia: Nerf its combat as well as its spec, and remove its teleport and hunter boost.

Karamthulhu Overlord: Some pretty big generic nerfs, and bring back drown (But costing, say, 3 or 4 points instead of 2).

Smoke Devil: Slight generic nerfs.

Abyssal Lurker: Remove combat capabilities.

Spirit Cobra: Combat nerfs.
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22-Apr-2019 00:44:53 - Last edited on 22-Apr-2019 23:08:01 by JoaoNoFind

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Stranger Plant: Nerf its foraging, and remove its combat capabilities, as well as its ability to boost your farming level for free. Change its spec from Poisonous Blast to the new Salt Of The Earth, which gives you a +1, as well as 2.5%, invisible farming boost (Normally, there's 1+4% visible boost, for free, simply by requesting a boost.)

Mithril Minotuar: Make it poisonable, and nerf its spec.

Barker Toad: According to the wiki, it's useless to balance out the high xp, so just make the xp very low compared to usual, along with a heavy nerf, and it might just be okay in OSRS.

War Tortoise: Remove its inventory, and lower its combat stats.

Bunyip: Remove its combat capabilities, and nerf its life regen, and make it so you need 150% of the cooking level to cook the fish so its spec can allow you to eat it raw.

Fruit Bat: Nerf its foraging. Things can only be withdrawn, not deposited, no matter what they are. remove its combat capabilities, and add a cooldown to Fruitfall.

Ravenous Locust: I think maybe just remove this one, unless anyone has some ideas?

Arctic Bear: Remove its camoflauge and hunter boost ability, and nerf its combat.

Phoenix: Nerf, and rename it to "The Infernix" To avoid confusion with the pet. Also, remove the +7 firemaking boost, and replace its spec with Infernal Crescent: gives a temporary invisible +4 firemaking boost.

Obsidian Golem: HUGE nerf to Volcanic Strength, removal of its mining boost, GIGANTIC combat stat nerf.

Granite Lobster: Generic nerfs in every category.

Praying Mantis: Generic nerfs in every category.

Adamant Minotuar: Make it poisonable, and nerf the spec.

Forge Regent: Remove its combat capabilities and bonus fmxp, and change its spec to "Inferno Overdrive", which has a VERY LONG COOLDOWN and grants 5% bonus fmxp for a VERY SHORT TIME.

Talon Beast: Generic nerfs in every category.
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22-Apr-2019 00:44:53 - Last edited on 23-Apr-2019 00:04:42 by JoaoNoFind

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Giant Ent: Generic nerfs in every category.

Fire Titan: Generic nerfs in every category.

Ice Titan: Generic nerfs in every category.

Moss Titan: Generic nerfs in every category.

Hydra: Generic nerfs in every category, along with some sort of rename to avoid confusion. Thoughts?

Nightmare Muspah: Remove, at least until we get Divination.

Demon Brawler: Generic nerfs in every category, and change Ring Of Fire so its combat style depends on the demon, instead of always being magic.

Demon Deacon: Generic nerfs in every category, and change Ring Of Fire so its combat style depends on the demon, instead of always being magic.

Demon Executioneer: Generic nerfs in every category, and change Ring Of Fire so its combat style depends on the demon, instead of always being magic.

Spirit Daggannoth: Generic nerfs in every category.

Lava Titan: Generic nerfs in every category.

Spirit Pack Pig (Tier Three): Remove.

Spirit Prayer Pig (Tier Three): Generic nerfs in every category.

Spirit War Pig (Tier Three): Generic nerfs in every category.

Reborn Phoenix: Rename to "Infernix Rises" to avoid confusion, and remove the fm boost, as well as its combat capabilities. Change its spec to "Rising Crescent", which grants a temporary invisible +7 fm boost.

Swamp Titan: Generic nerfs in every category.

Rune Minotuar: Make it poisonable, and nerf its spec.

Ghast: Generic nerfs in every category, also replace its spec with "Afterether", which gives temporary +1 visible boosts in EVERY skill.

Blood Nihil: Generic nerfs in every category.

Shadow Nihil: Generic nerfs in every category.

Smoke Nihil: Generic nerfs in every category.

Ice Nihil: Generic nerfs in every category.

Unicorn Stallion: Remove its combat capabilities, and increase the points to purge poison, and make it work ONLY on NORMAL poison.

Light Creature: Remove, at least until we get divination.

Geyser Titan: Generic nerfs in every category.
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22-Apr-2019 00:44:54 - Last edited on 23-Apr-2019 00:34:53 by JoaoNoFind

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Wolpertinger: Bring back the 5% increased magic defense, and remove its combat capabilities.

Abyssal Titan: Generic nerfs in every category.

Iron Titan: Generic nerfs in every category.

Pack Yak: Remove.

Pack Mammoth: Remove.

Steel Titan: Generic nerfs in every category.

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22-Apr-2019 00:44:54 - Last edited on 23-Apr-2019 00:38:18 by JoaoNoFind

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Obelisk Of Infinity

Pikkupstix worries...the power emanating from the obelisk grows every day, only becoming more and more malicious....perhaps this could be the work of Eradruder? Could he have possibly escaped from his imprisonment in the oblivion plane, after these thousand-plus years?

-Speak to Pikkupstix

(Reqs: 60 summoning, 85 QP, 30 defense, 45 magic, Wolf Whistle completed.)

Pikkupstix: Oh, good, I was just looking for you. Only you are stupid, I mean brave enough to discover the source of the strange power that has been emanating from the obelisk as of late. It's in Mawdrat. Go do something about it.

You: Wha- but I don't- I can't-.... Ugh. Whatever.

(Mawdrat is a Mordor-like land located on an island a short boat ride-at 25K GP a trip, I might add-from Zul-Andra.)

-If you've tried to enter Mawdrat before, or if you go try to enter it now, speak to Pikkupstix again. If not, this is what he says:

Pikkupstix: Are you done yet?

You: Um, not quite.

Pikkupstix: Well, what are you waiting for?

-If so:

You: Um, they won't let me in.

Pikkupstix: Well, they have a point-it's dangerous to go alone! Take this.

x You get the weak sword x

You: I don't see how this could possibly help.

Pikkupstix: What do you mean?

You: IT FREAKING GIVES +1 SLASH ATTACK-AND NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!!!!!

Pikkupstix: Oh. Well, they should let you in now, at least.

You: Hmmph.

-And....they do!

-The obelisk is a short walk north-west.

-Examine: Something is disastrously wrong with the balance of nature.
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22-Apr-2019 00:44:54 - Last edited on 23-Apr-2019 15:53:59 by JoaoNoFind

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the bot dib said:
Support only if we get a more balanced version. The initial version had several dead content and unbalanced familiars. Quadruple the healing on the Unicorn Stallion, make it require level 3 summoning, and multiply the space on the pack yak by 10 to get 300 slots and give it the ability to let you use the bank whenever instead of just depositing items as well as implementing a level 5 summoning requirement.



Was defenitely planning on rebalancing it, though I thought maybe I'd just nix BoBs, they're a bit much. Thank you for partial support and some hilarious suggestions, though. :)
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22-Apr-2019 20:07:23

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Finished reviewing and balancing every non-daemonheim familiar!
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23-Apr-2019 00:38:59

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I think I'll put the summoning levels by the familiars.
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23-Apr-2019 00:40:32

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Work has begun on the new quest walkthrough! Like the dialogue so far?:p
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23-Apr-2019 15:37:06

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Babi Dani Pk said:
No support stop tryna make osrs rs3


Way to prove you didn't read the suggestion.
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24-Apr-2019 22:18:07

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Etienne II said:
Even with your changes this doesn't seems like a good idea...

Summoning in RS3 is mostly used to gain an advantage in PVM, what you're proposing basically remove that advantage up to a certain point, but by doing so you rend the skill piratically useless in every way.

Also, adding summoning for the heck of it isn't what the majority of player, in my opinion, would like to see in-game, as most of the player, including my-self, would rather see something unique added to the game than copied from RS3 as they feel it's ruining the game.

If you did like summoning so much perhaps you should wait until the warding poll comes up and vote for the part where they proposed conjuring or, better yet, propose a new skill that would work
in a completely different way
from summoning while still having similar benefits, if not offering something different.


Useless? Really?

W0w, that's new.

I want warding and summoning to be separate skills.

I also need it to be summoning.
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26-Apr-2019 23:05:08 - Last edited on 26-Apr-2019 23:07:11 by JoaoNoFind

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Etienne II said:
Why do you absolutely need it?


Because it's summoning, how am I supposed to survive without it in OSRS? Geez.
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26-Apr-2019 23:13:15

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Etienne II said:
As much as I appreciate your suggestions, I think you should play RS3 with the legacy combat options on if you feel that way.


STOP SAYING THAT I'M TIRED OF IT.
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27-Apr-2019 15:18:25

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Purefect o_O said:
Go play RS3 - and anyone playing RuneScape after 2009 shouldn't be able to vote :O


That would be......literally everyone. There would be no votes in anything, ever.
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Ms Toxicity said:
The Infernix, let's avoid posting content to flame others. Post removed.


Did you read what the other guy posted? it was definitely worse than what I said, name&shame him too, please.
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27-Apr-2019 20:06:38

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Oh Hey XD said:
I support bringing summoning to OSRS.


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15-May-2019 21:57:07

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Etienne II said:
Even with your changes this doesn't seems like a good idea...

Summoning in RS3 is mostly used to gain an advantage in PVM, what you're proposing basically remove that advantage up to a certain point, but by doing so you rend the skill piratically useless in every way.

Also, adding summoning for the heck of it isn't what the majority of player, in my opinion, would like to see in-game, as most of the player, including my-self, would rather see something unique added to the game than copied from RS3 as they feel it's ruining the game.

If you did like summoning so much perhaps you should wait until the warding poll comes up and vote for the part where they proposed conjuring or, better yet, propose a new skill that would work
in a completely different way
from summoning while still having similar benefits, if not offering something different.



been tossing around beastmaster skill idea, a pet skill that allows you to do cool stuff with your actual pets.
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22-Jul-2019 16:41:22

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Etienne II said:
@Infernix

Pets are considered to be already quite an achievement to obtain as a great majority of them have less than 1% chances of being obtained (outside of the cat of course).

So unless you propose giving more use to the cat and add other pets who would be part of the skill it wouldn't be a good idea as a boss or skilling pet it too rare to justify adding a skill around it.


trust me, it's well thought out

but this isnt the right thread lol
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