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Tenebri said:
why are you wanting it increased? you said yourself the "only" benefit is combat and with combat you still want the 5 minute auto log. so whats the point? if the only benefit from doing this you dont want it to effect it.

if you cant answer that then no support. as youve negated your only reasoning for it


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Kopaka said:
Here's a slightly different suggestion:

Make the client no longer log-out automatically (or have a much longer automatic log-out timer, like 30 minutes or something) if your character is resting.

You can't be skilling if you are resting.


Yet the bots could take advantage of this and just rest every so often.
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Kopaka said:
I honestly don't see why this is a conversation about bots. Bots can do anything, so what? Who cares? They can chat, they can change the view, they could resize the window if it mattered, they could even log out and log back in. Saying that the idea is bad because bots could use it to prevent themself logging out actually makes no sense. There are plenty of ways bots avoid logging out.


Considering this is only meant to help bots is the soul reason why it shouldnt happen.

I mean explain one way that no log-out timer would actually be useful.
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Kopaka said:
Kopaka said:

Elemental619 wants to have a longer auto log out so that if they are just sitting waiting for a friend, waiting for a creature or resource spawn to reappear, or are just taking a break to get a drink or use the washroom, they will stay logged in.


Why must they stay logged in for these cases?:@

Also last i checked, most creatures dont take over 5 min to respawn.
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Kopaka said:
And creatures are just an example. You are correct, they don't. It would take a combination of waiting for something that respawned slowly plus having left the computer or minimized the game for this to result in auto log-out.


Considering it takes something like this proves once again why it shouldnt happen.
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Kopaka said:
The point of the timer is not to help people do more afk things for longer. It is entirely so that people who are 100% afk for the above stated reasons do not have to log in again all the time.


Yet you can already prevent yourself from logging out during afk activities by having sounds on, thus i fail to see how this is an issue?
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Kopaka said:
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Elemental619 wants to have a longer auto log out so that if they are just sitting waiting for a friend, waiting for a creature or resource spawn to reappear, or are just taking a break to get a drink or use the washroom, they will stay logged in.


What does that have to do with what i said?:@

Please actually read my posts.
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Kopaka said:
And you're going to have to explain that further, because I am someone who plays with the sounds turned off and listen to music instead.


Yet thats your choice thus you choose to get logged out due to that.
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Kopaka said:
Also I just ran the game until it logged out with the sound on. It didn't make any noise to indicate it was about to or anything, it just went, so your point is completely disproven as far as I'm concerned.


I never said it would make any noise indicating this thus you put words in i didnt say.

Thus its probably best to avoid that in the future.

What i meant was you can hear yourself finishing you activity thus moving onto the next part.

Take safecraking for example, with sounds on i can hear each time i get the part where it flashes thus i know when the safe opens.
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Kopaka said:
And just so you don't misinterpret, let me say it twice.

The point of the timer is not to help people do more afk things for longer. It is entirely so that people who are 100% afk for the above stated reasons do not have to log in again all the time.


Yet like ive already pointed out and you seem to be overreading, you can already bypass this problem.
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Kopaka said:
Bravo, an actually helpful suggestion.

This still doesn't directly address what the OP was saying, since they were arguing the timer is too short, not that it is untrackable, but I will grant you that being able to know when it'a about to expire is quite helpful.


Yet I found this that explains why it cant be extended any further:

https://puu.sh/AkEJE/7f3a8f0207.png

Thus i dont see this happening.
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Kopaka said:
Waiting for a friend

Waiting for a resource (rune rocks, elder trees, farming plot, etc)

Doing something other than Runescape temporarily (either irl or on the computer


You can do activities in game while waiting for a friend, thus going back to my safecracking statement.

Same could be said about waiting for a resource. Yet im not sure which resource takes longer than 5min.

As for doing something outside rs, dont see why you need to keep you acc logged in for that?:@
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Elemental619 said:
But to say that someone not at their computer with their character logged in not doing anything past 5 mins is worse than someone afking listening to sound in the background, multi tasking, not looking at their screen. Could be classified as a bot if you want to go down that route.


Yes you could but it isnt.

Heres what the rules say what a bot is:

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Jiggly Bush said:
Bots don't afk longer than 5 minutes though. They already keep the account active while the "player" is away. AFAIK you can't do anything while resting that doesn't break the resting animation.

Hence, I don't support removing the timer.


Agreed.

Makes no sense to remove the timer just to benefit a small minority.
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Tenebri said:
CuddleBucket said:
There is activities that don't require input for longer than the timer - maybe the timer should start when you stop performing actions?



Way it is is fine already.

That would be op. Take hefin pillars for instance. That would be 20+ minutes of not needing to do anything for 20k xp. Could literally start go to work / school. Come back 20k agility for one click


Exactly.

I fail to see how anyone could see this as ok.

I mean even osrs could see the harm in splashing and this is pretty much asking for just that:@
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Kopaka said:
Yawn. Just another easy example of how an exception can be implemented.

Make Serenity Posts kick you off the post if you don't change poses for longer than 5 minutes. Would improve even the current state of afkers.


Or we can just leave things as is as changing things just because a small minority say so isnt the way to go IMO.
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Tenebri said:
Konota said:
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Nah, I can only see downsides to this. + the already mentioned from previous pages, that nobody could gave an answer to.

Someone participated yesterday's Mod stream in world 24? The 1200 players (NOT FULL-NOT EVEN CLOSE) world was not what I call fluid gameplay. Not only does it reduce lower rigs FPS (if standing near others), but also the server->client responses. Let's keep it how it is right now.
(^ Also the reason why I do not want world reductions.)


Yup agree


Same.
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CuddleBucket said:
Since so much more content has been aimed at afk since, lengthening the timeout wouldn't hurt anything.
Doesn't have to go for an hour, but extending it from 6 minutes to 10 would be fine, at least then it covers prifpocketing


If they did this whats to stop ppl from asking to extand it longer?

Hence why its good as is.
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Nshoring said:
I think the timer is fine at 5 minutes. I understand the point that it breaks from immersion but if it was increased to 10 or 15 minutes then there may be many people just standing around afk and I don't think that would be any better.


Agreed.

If anything, increasing it break immersion even more than leaving it as is.
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Kopaka said:
Not sure who said anything about the timer breaking immersion at 5 minutes, that certainly was never my thought. To me any activity which would leave you not touching the keyboard for more than five minutes is already extremely non-immersive. An immersive game activity is one that keeps you wanting to see what happens next, and keep interacting, not one that leaves you doing nothing and alt-tabbing out of the game.


Still dont see how this means this should happen?
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Tenebri said:
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Ohhhhh you got me Tenebri, I'm not 100% sure that you are going to change my mind, therefore I must be 100% sure you won't. You sure got me there.


again strawman

i wasnt asking if you think im capable of changing your mind. i was asking if you are able to change your mind

so nice twist on words but you know 100% that wasnt what i was asking


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Tenebri said:
CuddleBucket said:
You can go over 7 minutes at Prifpocket.


not according to my 200m xp and my test with max gear wasnt even close to 7 minutes

all i can find is 5 minutes. in guides and videos etc. no where have i seen 7 minutes

i was maybe expecting to go over 5 minutes less than 6 with full gear.

but yeah id like to see the method / outfit for 7 minutes so if you know id like to try it


Why did you even believe him...
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Tenebri said:
so can you now give a reaosn as to why this should happen, (obviously knowing it benefiting players isnt enough to determine if it should or not)

to clarify my way of thinking as you obviously dont grasp it.

theres 3 ways of looking at this

support
not support
undecided


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That's not how a forum works, Cuddlebucket. This is not a dictatorship with each thread making its own demands nobody dares to speak up against. This is a place for sharing opinions and having open discussions about them as to why or why not they are a good idea.

If you're still in doubt, feel free to read the forum rules and guidelines. I didn't realise you were new to this.
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Tenebri said:
out of curiosity what do you define as a discussion?


Anything that agrees with OP no matter what they're asking for IMO.

Tenebri said:
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You don't discuss anything, you just disagree continuously.


so out of all my posts all im saying is "i disagree?"

lmao

but i do agree

Tenebri said:
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this is most recent one click it to be taken to it

infact most of the threads i do post in. i dont say if im for or against it. i just ask questions (discuss it)


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Kopaka said:
So I'm going to do a bit of devil's advocate here.

First of all, Prifpocketing in my experience actually doesn't go past five minutes, ever. If you are going to make a claim about it lasting seven then you're going to have to take a video of yourself doing it or something. If we are only talking like a 1/500 chance of it happening, then that isn't important enough to need a change on that basis alone.

Secondly, let's talk about the timer's purpose some more. We don't have any Jagex Official statement on what the timer's purpose is, but as far as any of us can tell, it sure seems like it's to prevent players from "taking advantage" of afk-able activities. If it's in Jagex purpose to prevent players from afking, then it's going to take a more persuasive argument to change their minds than "but I wanna afk!".

Finally the one point that is brought up so often, what's the big deal about just clicking the screen or adjusting the camera every now and then? It really isn't that hard.


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Tenebri said:
Just to confirm
You cant pickpocket longer than 5 minutes.
Not an opinion its a fact.

Yes ive dont my research over 170m thiev xp worth of it. Yes its valid to topic as it was bought up to show we need loger than 5 minute log out

Nope 5 minute timer does exactly as it should

Look forward to it? Like its actually happening..


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Tenebri said:


I'm not sure you got the next bit right.
If you don't have the facts, it doesn't meant they don't exist.

3rd bit just needs a little thought, common sense will get you there.


If you dont have the evidence you cant claim it as a fact.


So you dont know either.. instead of saying with common sense youll get there. Actually say what you think it is. Does nothing to provide anything useful to this discussion just saying with common sense youll get there. You said this before when asked. It just seems you dont know but wish to claim to know. So actually answer question to help the discussion. Lets say no one has your imense common sense. Youll have to let us know oh great one. Please help......

But im guessing no answer will come.


Have to agree here.
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my silly games? im asking something about the topic which you are not answering. if you want to be a value to this discussion which you have stated that the people who disagree arent and we should make our own threads saying not to do it one has now been locked because it should be discussed on the thread.... so thanks for encouraging rule break. but to get back to it.

you say we should use common sense im wanting an answer to what you think the reasoning is behind the 5 minute log out. youve been asked many times now by more than 1 person. and you have the audacity to just say "use common sense". how does that in anyway shape or form help the discussion. if you cant be a value to it then dont post. as its just spam.

i originally posted i want an answer to this and i said but i guess it wont happen. and guess what no answer.

either you are playing silly games. when you act mature around forums "look at me mod shauny" when really you add nothing to any argument.

ive spent a lot of time and effort and thought into what i type. and to only get "use common sense" when i ask for only answer. is just rude. you say you have the answer and i highly doubt you do with the amount of dancing you do. you cant accuse me of playing games. when everything i type here is paragraphs usually going past the character limit.

if you cant answer it just say you dont know. theres nothing wrong with saying you dont know. its what i say about most suggestions. and its why i asked questions. (even though most people think im against them because i dont just play sheep and say support) no i wont a discussion and thought. which you lack


Have to agree here.
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Tenebri said:

He has said he supports this more than anyone iirc so im not syre why you are stating what hisnposition is on the topic we already know.

That doesnt answer what weve asked though. What is thr 5 minute timer for. Thats what me and you have asked him. His response was use common sense.. if he doesnt want to answer fine. But it would be helpful as he thinks we are wrong or dont know (i dont think he knows but wants to claim he does) if he can shine light on this then great. But he is on purpose not helping the discussion.


Pretty much.
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Tenebri said:
the reason for the 5 minute timer is the question so no its not. as cuddlebucket claims to know this 100% with his immense common sense.

knowing the reaosning behind the 5 minute timer we can establish whether it should be increased or not with way game play is now.

but he just keeps saying "use common sense" or not even trying to answer

we have had kopaka attempt it. and i also posted why the timer was originally increased. but i dont think cuddlebucket thinks either are the reason for the timer. itself

so ive read the first 10 pages. and i havent seen anything on as to what the 5minute timer is actually for. for all us its speculation. the only thing i can find is the update to increase to 5 minutes.


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Tenebri said:
it shows my point wonderfully. its changing something huge. for something small. so thank you for proving my point... its not a contradiction. you are confusing "a huge change" and "wanting the change for a small reason" as something to be contradictory... when they arent.

i want the moon closer to my window. so when i occasionally look out i see more moon than sky.... wanting a big change for something small

i really hope we wont go in circles now you just quoted something we spent pages on....


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Kopaka said:
I'll concede that she is asking for infinite or an extension.

Still it isn't what most of the people who posted the most in this thread supporting the idea think is appropriate or viable.


Doesnt matter, OP has asked for it thus its able to be discussed.

C a z said:
I would like the logout timer increased to maybe 20 minutes. This is a reasonable time for people that have to do a few real ife things yet isn't long enough to help bots.


Why does it need to be 20min?

If you need to do irl things, its best to log to log in screen to prevent getting hacked.
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Kopaka said:
As for the 20 minute timer, I don't think it has anything to do with bots in the slightest. Bots would actually benefit the most from having a 5 second logout timer. Players wouldn't be able to keep active enough to stay logged in but bots would have no problem. It only helps players to have a longer timer, not bots.


Plz explain how bots benefit from a 5sec timer and not from a extend one.

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If you are at home on a private computer you should be allowed to decide to leave yourself logged in if that is what you want to do.


You currently can in a way by making sure you dont auto-log.
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I would like the logout timer increased to maybe 20 minutes. This is a reasonable time for people that have to do a few real ife things yet isn't long enough to help bots.


As stated previously in the thread increasing it does nothing to actual game play. Sure you can now cook inrl for longer. But nothing is happening to your account during this time except the first 5 minutes after that activites stop so there is no need to be logged in after 5 minutes unless interacting


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Tenebri said:
to your list, in my opinion no it doesnt count. watching youtube twitch etc no not at all

again i bring up the after 5 minutes you are just idle. whats the point in being logged in if idle in the game

5minutes is plenty of time to be able to do the things you listed. and also play the game. there really is no need to stay logged in if idle. once you stop gaining in the game you are idle. you chose how you train by what you do around it. if you need most afk method cause want to to witch twitch youtube etc. then youll do something with little concentration so you can do so. like arc, seren stones, crystal tree. when they deplete (less than 5 minutes) youll be back clicking once. then back to twicth etc. you wont be killing telos if you want to to those things. youll listen to music or nothing in background just rs only.

so they arent idle in game if gaining xp. they are doing something for their account. idle is doing literally nothing. which is what you would be doing now if timer is increased more than 5 minutes.

there is no benefit in staying logged in after 5 minutes. so why change it. so you can do nothing? that makes no sense to do.


your last bit i have no idea what you are talking about. something about dailies and logic. but i dont know how it references being lobbied.


but honestly what you are now portraying as an argument for it. ive covered already in this thread.


Exactly.
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Tenebri said:
waiting for ge offers id say is idle yes, which is why i dont idle waiting for them. why would i wait? when i could do something else. like interact with the game.

waiting for spawns to an extent yes is idle. but none go more than 5 minutes so no need to increase timer for that. so dont know why you bring that up.

its like youve taken me saying idle to the extreme. im talking about it past 5 minutes of no activity (as that what this thread is about, no activity for 5 minutes log out....) you bring up stuff that is less than 5 minutes....

there is no activity that lasts more than 6 minutes of afk, maybe hefin pillars, but wouldnt be worth it really unless completely afk for like 40 minutes. then it could finish in that time.

so again i ask why increase the 5 minute timer to just be idle.... da ja vu its like this question been asked in so many ways. and repeated. but never actually answered and its only one i care about that gets answered. as its one that will move discussion further....

dailies are just activites. if you want to play the game just with the dailies then thats a choice i guess. why are we now talking about dailies?


Exactly.

Last i checked this thread is about logout timer not dailies.
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Tenebri said:
i did just edit my post

but to answer what on earth do you mean how so?

im saying its not apart of the game

waiting for a spawn in a context can be classed as idle. but in reality you are concentrating on whats about to happen. so you are still engaged with the game.


Pretty much.
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Tenebri said:
indeed so no need to increase the timer to help people be logged in even more than they shouldnt.

well done for knocking your own suggestion

http://i.imgur.com//kKdBgAD.jpg

as you just said if idle no need to be logged in and i agree its what ive been saying since the bloody start

guess thread can finally be closed as op says to not increase timer if idle

damn took its time but done


Have to agree here.

Glad to see shes finally realized that this is pointless.
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Elemental619 said:
And that includes afkers with in the 5 min zone. Contradiction much?


Wut?

Like how you just seemingly just go back and forth with what you say just to say something.

The only one i see contradicting themselves is you.

First you say you want this to happen now all of a sudden you dont.
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Elemental619 said:
Explain how I go back and forth? Its pretty straight forward. I'm not the one asking for special treatment on certain activities.


Yet you are.

You seemingly wanted to have extra time to be logged in for no apparent reason.

Now you are saying you dont want this to happen, thus you're going back and forth.
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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Only if your logic actually made any sense. There were plenty of hints to help out.


you mean your logic of wanting to increase timer. when theres no reason to?

logic of not seeing the point of being logged in when your account isnt going to be doing anything? cause that seems logical to me. if you arent playing and your account isnt doing anything why be logged in?

you think its logical to be logged in?


instead of making false personal claims. why not give the reason as to why this should happen...

its been 62 pages. youve yet to give one. instead whenever the question comes up. you dont answer it. the more you dont answer the more reason we have to think you just cant admit to thinking of a bad suggestion. but instead try to hold onto it.

so come on poppet why is this a good idea?

why should the timer be increased. even though no activity in game will need you being idle for more than 5 minutes and still be doing something.

just give a reason. why is it so difficult for you to? (apart from the obvious there is no reason you can even think of)

you say theres been "hints" well hints dont help. why leave hints why not just bloody say it.


what would be a logical is to answer the question to help your cause. instead of saying the person asking doesnt have any logic

makes you look foolish.

so can you finally answer what should be an easy thing to answer? or are you incapable? (if the latter then you are just a troll and you win troll as its been 62 pages worth so grats)


Have to agree here.
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A  Cole said:
The problem with the yellow wizard is that the reset timer resets when you log out of the game. For those who are actively playing the game when they are at the keyboard, but get called away for those real life issues, the current timer is detrimental to their game play.

I'm talking about active players being disadvantaged when they have to step away for a short while. After all, is it even possible for anyone to sit by their PC without real life distractions?


The game isnt meant to be suited to ppl who arent playing as it doesnt make sense to.
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Vexcel said:
People saying this will help or encourage botting yet I don't see exactly how this will benefit them. Bots don't afk, they are constantly clicking to get exp and/or money. A bot that is "afk" is a useless bot. You've got people using auto clickers at seren stones, high alching and numerous other locations and activities. So this won't make any difference especially given the OP's idea to make the persons character go dormant and be unable to interact and get experience. Cheaters will cheat no matter what and eventually get caught. That's up to them and doesn't really affect us.


It will helkp bots because they can stay logged in logger w/o having to worry about auto log.
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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Pretty much backed up by the recent update Jagex released.


whats backed up? by recent update? the fact its still 5 minutes? or the fact that afk is punished with less afk now in mining and smithing. and rewarded for paying attention. making this suggestion pointless?

are you now against your own idea?


She was back on pg61 so we're just going in circles now.
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Elemental619 said:
Since when do xp rates matter for staying logged in after 5 mins? Actually.. when does it even matter for people afking?

As far as recent update goes, it can go back as far as a month and thats why theres no need to specify and there are plenty of them that support this.


Yet still doesnt prove that they should increase timer.
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Tenebri said:
ive explained why afk and xp are linked. you are now going in circles and ignoring what ive said. its not about xp rates and afk. its the fact its now punished

so its not about personal basis of afking its how the game is

like talking to a brick wall


Its been like that throughout this thread TBH.
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Steelweaver said:
Elemental619 said:
Then we start removing afking activities.

Then we don't need an increase to the logout timer because you should always be paying attention to your game.


Agreed.

If you dont want to pay pay attention then its probably best just to at least log to lobby or log-in to be fully safe.
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