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Elemental619

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Possible chance to remove or increase the time for this?


For those asking, Its so you aren't forced to the lobby after 5 mins of inactivity of any form. Like
waiting for friends, spawns, no mouse movements, break from the game... forgot it was up in the background...

27-Apr-2018 23:06:48 - Last edited on 09-May-2018 02:57:27 by Elemental619

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Most resources depletes with in 1-2 mins and requires you to re-click to continue skilling. Anything after 5 mins if the player isn't at the computer is most likely botting.

The only advantage here would only be in combat where monsters are always aggressive or when doing group content, which can be easily fixed. The current timer is 5 mins and can be applied to this instance. After 5 mins of idle time, the player would "freeze", combat is forced stopped, player can not receive any loot, stat drain/boost freezes and the player would be 50% transparent to let others know. Just like skilling, if the player isn't at the computer and receiving xp/items after 5 mins, they're most likely botting.

01-May-2018 23:38:30

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Lordsyth said:
You request a longer timer but then only give reasons as to why it shouldnt be implemented...


Because someone says it would be abused and i made a small suggestion on fixing the abuse....?

Qwis7 said:
I only see negative reasons why it should be increased.
So that's why i do not support for this.

Not being forced to the lobby if you're .1 secs late getting back to the game...?

09-May-2018 02:20:11

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Draco Burnz said:
Elemental619 said:
ecause someone says it would be abused and i made a small suggestion on fixing the abuse....?


Yea fixing the "abuse" by making botting easier....


As if there isn't any botting with what we have now...


Draco Burnz said:
Elemental619 said:
Not being forced to the lobby if you're .1 secs late getting back to the game...?


How is that in any way jagex's fault?

If you need to afk for a full 5min, then thats a personal problem.


Aren't all suggestions based on one person's observation?

Tenebri said:
question still no answered :( sad times

Wheres the question if it wasn't asked?

10-May-2018 14:08:34

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Billiebear said:
Kopaka said:
@Tenebri

I admit I'm going out on a limb here interpreting the thread and what was said


Yes, I interpreted the thread the same way.

I think everyone else thinks she wants an unfair edge because they don't understand why she could possibly wants what she's asking for.

Let me emphasize that her intentions are not to give the ability to players to AFK longer but to allow players to not have to wait for the sometimes-flakey client to take 10 seconds to log them back in and further delay the player by re-rendering the world and re-pre-loading shaders. Other reasons have been outlined above (some directly above by @Kopanka.

Anyway, 100% support given the above, including a choice to toggle between current 5 minutes and whatever the change would bring.


Yep. Afk training is already limited to 2-3 mins, which is short of the 5 min log out. Only a small amount of activities would need a small quick fix which i suggested. A few more would be minigames like soul wars (they did fix that, having an activity bar) but could be added to other ones, CWs, stealing creation etc. A couple days ago, i was playing stealing creation with 100k points and afked a tad long and got booted to the lobby. I logged back in and was in the waiting lobby(logged in before the game i was in was done). Alternative would be to kick them to the waiting lobby.

If i were to suggest helping bots, they wouldn't need it because of how the 5 min logout works.

11-May-2018 18:27:25

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Draco Burnz said:
Kopaka said:
Waiting for a friend

Waiting for a resource (rune rocks, elder trees, farming plot, etc)

Doing something other than Runescape temporarily (either irl or on the computer


You can do activities in game while waiting for a friend, thus going back to my safecracking statement.

Same could be said about waiting for a resource. Yet im not sure which resource takes longer than 5min.

As for doing something outside rs, dont see why you need to keep you acc logged in for that?:@



Draco Burnz said:
Kopaka said:
Also I just ran the game until it logged out with the sound on. It didn't make any noise to indicate it was about to or anything, it just went, so your point is completely disproven as far as I'm concerned.


I never said it would make any noise indicating this thus you put words in i didnt say.

Thus its probably best to avoid that in the future.

What i meant was you can hear yourself finishing you activity thus moving onto the next part.

Take safecraking for example, with sounds on i can hear each time i get the part where it flashes thus i know when the safe opens.



Why are you promoting afking?

12-May-2018 15:57:08

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But to say that someone not at their computer with their character logged in not doing anything past 5 mins is worse than someone afking listening to sound in the background, multi tasking, not looking at their screen. Could be classified as a bot if you want to go down that route.

13-May-2018 21:10:24

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Draco Burnz said:
Elemental619 said:
^ exactly why it won't be abused if done right.


Yet this is jagex we're talking about.

When does anything go "right".


Theres still people who care about quality updates? Got me there.

Tenebri said:
Still havent seen an actual reason. As to why this shouldn't happen

16-May-2018 14:28:08 - Last edited on 16-May-2018 14:28:46 by Elemental619

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Nothing can prove a negative
If its not broke dont fix it. Dont turn the burden on proof onto us. You are one wanting it. Give us your reasons for it. Otherwise there is no need

Considering thats what you said after the question just shows you dont even have anything anyway. Otherwise youd give your reason for it


That can be said about any update. like the 100-200 people per world even care that much when all the updates we are getting are temporary daily events for a couple weeks.

Comparing to the recent mail event, this would be far less annoying that people would still hate it?

16-May-2018 20:47:29

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^and thats why i took a break from this game. almost always kicked to the lobby while playing another game on another monitor because of all these afk activities with INCREASED xp rates from when we didn't just click and wait. Because of that, i just gave up bothering to log back in and forgot about it.


I recently came back to see the expected. very few players.. increased xp rate, and ease in more afking skills. I even asked a friend whos still a member to come back and play and the response was theres nothing to do. If they even logged in, they probably be in the lobby 90% of the time.

16-May-2018 23:31:29

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You'd need to define what performance issue we're having with this. Server lag? Connection issue? Server lag pretty much happens everywhere on all games where its crowded and you only mention it will only make it worse on these.. like 5 worlds while the other 100s aren't having any sort of these problems.

The reason i mentioned the lobby was to prove another point.. performance. Logging in the lobby doesn't cause much stress on the server or anything, but its still taking up bandwidth? Is taking up bandwidth a hindrance to other "active" players?

Which leads to my final point

Tenebri said:

But i do olay 2 accounts at once one going for 5.4 other for whatever. I never log out of thembfrom too little activity. On either. So for me it holds benefit. Im always engaged in something.

Thanks for finally providing an answer finally so i could actually respond


Dualboxxing. Taking up server space for "personal" gains. Not saying Tenebri does, but theres plenty of proof that others do and Jagex never had a definite answer for this.

Like said, preventive, yet dualboxxing still occurs and in other games, they only limit one game client per computer. For RS, you can have as many cleints you want on a single computer and even better for those who wants to cheat... having them all bot. They could prevent this by forcing just one client per computer and not have this problem yet didn't and from this, theres plenty of maxed xp players (some with alt bots) farming gold to feed their xp.

And with the case for cheating.. bots already have a way to stay on longer than 5 mins. theres few activities which extends longer than 5 mins and can be fixed. Prevent something that already happens? can't. performance issue? if idling in lobby takes up bandwidth from others, then it shouldn't exist as with staying logged ingame.

17-May-2018 19:08:56

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Isn't that where this game is headed? Why did we get another afk thieving update? The recent Wcing update made it so you can afk even longer if you choose to auto bank the logs. Its been like that before Eoc, so why not improve it a bit?


If afking for 20k agility xp over 24 hours is op, what about the Hefin Agility course where you can set up mouse keys, keep your cursor on the center of the screen and spam your mouse keys?

That slashing problem had to do the the way auto log works. According to wiki (07)

"At Dagannoth Kings, since Spinolyps constantly attack you, it is practically impossible to manually log out, so it is so much easier to X-log. As the name suggests, you close the screen, browser, window or client, which forces your account to log out. You must be able to endure and tank 90 seconds' worth of damage and must be alone in multi-combat areas, such as the Dagannoth Kings' lair, or death is inevitable."

Their log out timer is 90 seconds long while rs3 is 5 mins. With xlogging, theres no input in the 90 secs from the user, forcing the auto logout to kick in. If this was the case with splashing, it wouldn't be a problem but how do they stay logged in for hours? They put weights on the the keyboard keys mimicking "fake" user inputs. In that case, its more related to botting. And wasn't it already mentioned anything that bypasses the logout timer currently would fall in the category of botting?

19-May-2018 23:40:53

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Why not answer then question for us. What is the 5 minute logout for? Why was it changed from 90 secs to 5 mins? Only Jagex knows right? So why ask players who play the game for the answer?


The update came out 10 years ago and weather Jagex tells us why it was increased or not, we can all assume how the logout mechanic works? Without that, theres really no discussion.

23-Jul-2018 12:44:33

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Draco Burnz said:
Elemental619 said:
You can go on and say that some big updates don't do anything for the game and even small ones that screw everything up.


Whats this have to do with the 5min logout timer though?


Increasing the logout timer would takes months to code right?

Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
You can go on and say that some big updates don't do anything for the game and even small ones that screw everything up.


yeah. you can? even though its closely related to what jokkul wanted to bring up. it doesnt add anything to do it unfortunately

nor does it explain why this should even happen anyway



It sure does. an update is an update. It doesn't have to effect you in anyway. Like the elite dungeons and new boss that we had. I have yet to waste time trying them out. if you don't see any use increasing the log out timer, great. Theres others who do.

26-Jul-2018 23:47:32

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Tenebri said:
I did answer them thats what im trying to do atleast.

You just cant get your head around

A huge change for a small thing. You think is a contradiction.

I believe i said you miss quoted. And also misunderstood


Many bosses you can afk. Kree for instance.


So yes ive answered. Youve still yet to answer why its needed.


So you can put your character in the boss room and leave the computer for 20 mins and still expect to be there?

27-Jul-2018 17:09:38

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Draco Burnz said:
Kopaka said:
All anyone has asked for is an extension. That is not at all the same as infinite.


The OP says otherwise:

Elemental619 said:
Possible chance to remove or increase the time for this?


S/he also asked if they could remove it thus it'll be infinite.


And if you read farther...

Elemental619 said:
Most resources depletes with in 1-2 mins and requires you to re-click to continue skilling. Anything after 5 mins if the player isn't at the computer is most likely botting.

The only advantage here would only be in combat where monsters are always aggressive or when doing group content, which can be easily fixed. The current timer is 5 mins and can be applied to this instance. After 5 mins of idle time, the player would "freeze", combat is forced stopped, player can not receive any loot, stat drain/boost freezes and the player would be 50% transparent to let others know. Just like skilling, if the player isn't at the computer and receiving xp/items after 5 mins, they're most likely botting.


Did i say i want infinite combat?

11-Aug-2018 02:16:09

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Tenebri said:
C a z said:
I would like the logout timer increased to maybe 20 minutes. This is a reasonable time for people that have to do a few real ife things yet isn't long enough to help bots.


As stated previously in the thread increasing it does nothing to actual game play. Sure you can now cook inrl for longer. But nothing is happening to your account during this time except the first 5 minutes after that activites stop so there is no need to be logged in after 5 minutes unless interacting


It actually does. Increases idle time staying logged ingame.

11-Aug-2018 16:05:56

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Tenebri said:

whats the point in being idle, youve just help the cause ive been trying to make. i use the word "interact" a lot in this thread. because thats what it is. you are idle... deserve to be logged out.

imagine the game update

"you can now be idle for longer, which is something we want out of you in this game you arent now playing"

seriously grasping at straws



If thats how you like to play, you can avoid that.

Original message details are unavailable.
Firstly, the logout timer has been increased from ninety seconds to five minutes. This means that you will not be automatically logged out before this amount of time has passed
– particularly useful when you want to check the forums or the Game Guide while training combat or chopping down trees.
The only exception to this is if you lose connection; if this happens, you will be automatically logged out after 30 seconds as usual (or after 60 seconds if you lose connection during combat). Make sure you stay on the watch for random events, and for other players who want to talk to you.



Going by what Jagex said, they increased the timer so players can look at game guides/read forums. Does dual boxxing, playing on one screen while the other in the background count? Watching youtube? playing other games? Twitch? where jagex is advertising...something that wasn't a thing back when jagex increased the logout timer

If jagex can't enforce you how to spend the time being logged in, why is being idle a problem?

If this is a problem, why not suggest Jagex to locking the RS client on top of all other windows and the mouse curser not leaving the window like some games? Wouldn't that solve most of the cheating/afking problem?

11-Aug-2018 19:57:39

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.Im referring to what jagex intended the 5 minute timer is used for.

Tenebri said:
yes i post the updated further back in the thread too holds no validity in what you want. because its doing whats its suppose to. nothing to say so you can go cook a roast. or go to gym


Tenebri said:
.
this is where i said it if youd like to see.


it only says check forums or check game guides. therefore its still indicating you are with in game. again not cooking inrl. ggame guides meaning you have rs opened you are just checking how to do next bit of quest, (still engaging with game)
checking forums with ge only being out 2 years still a lot of trading was over forums. (most of my pc is from that still) again engaging with in the game

so yes they increased it. for game play purposes. staying idle gaining 0 xp 0 gp literally only game time. is pointless.


And where i added to the list..

Elemental619 said:
Going by what Jagex said, they increased the timer so players can look at game guides/read forums. Does dual boxxing, playing on one screen while the other in the background count? Watching youtube? playing other games? Twitch? where jagex is advertising...something that wasn't a thing back when jagex increased the logout timer


And for that to happen, they would most likely be idle in game and in that form its ok?

Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
or any of the other things i listed? It only said game guides and forums.


what did you list?

waiting for friends? thats done in lobby

i remember waiting for friends in game and going to lobby to do it. so familiars etc didnt die or atleast would be more when we start

using that logic, some of us could only log on hours or minutes before reset and by staying LOGGED IN, the same as your logged out, they would be able to finish dailis they would have miss

11-Aug-2018 21:40:38 - Last edited on 11-Aug-2018 21:43:26 by Elemental619

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Not gaining xp is idle? what about waiting for ge offers? waiting for spawns, certain daily events. Theres no need to do any activity for 6 mins or more for these for the timer to kick you out of what you are doing.



Tenebri said:

your last bit i have no idea what you are talking about. something about dailies and logic. but i dont know how it references being lobbied.


but honestly what you are now portraying as an argument for it. ive covered already in this thread.



milking familiar timer isn't the same as milking the forced daily timer?

11-Aug-2018 22:11:57

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Kip Tandoori said:
Tbh when i think about this a bit longer, i dont see any reason why there is a 5 min log off.
Except to keep us at the screen maybe.
Encouraging botting? Endless skilling? i don't see it really. There's always something that has to be 'reactivated', like clicking for another batch of protean or walking/running/tele to another tree.


Its so simple to think of it lol.

22-Oct-2018 22:00:18

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The only response that you can come up with is "doesn't need it" to every answer given. How is that still a "small" part of the game if it way outside your small narrow game play? Even with simple logic that could fix the abuse and actually improve game play, you disapprove because of how you play. And responding with going around in circles is really w/o any ideas.

26-Oct-2018 00:35:45

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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
The only response that you can come up with is "doesn't need it" to every answer given. How is that still a "small" part of the game if it way outside your small narrow game play? Even with simple logic that could fix the abuse and actually improve game play, you disapprove because of how you play. And responding with going around in circles is really w/o any ideas.



Yes that is only answer thats needed.


Youve given no answer as to why it should happen. You just try and distract from the question that you have beem asked


If someone disagreed 2+2 doesnt = 4 all we will do is give same answer. As thats all thats needed. We would also ask that person yo give reasoning as to how its not 4. Thats what im doing for you. Give me a reason why it should be increased. Yiu cant. Because there is none. Youve been asked this loads and always never answer.

In any situation where you would log out automatically there is no reason to still be logged in as you arent playing yourbcharacter has stopped what its been doing anyeay due to it being depleted already. So again and again i ask. Why increase it when it will do fuck all


The answer that was given to you is an answer you consider wrong because you can't see it.

02-Nov-2018 15:29:10

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WYNN PALACE said:
I am not sure if this was debated here or not, but there is another problem.

Imagine you are playing somewhere you are not alone at (i.e your parents house, your friends house etc).

The fact RuneScape is automatically logs out to the Lobby, helps keeping your account secure, in case you went to the bathroom or something and forgot to log out by yourself.

Surely there are benefits into extending the time frame before logging out with all of these grinding events and protean resources, but I genuinely believe 5 minutes is already too long, if you entered your Bank Pin an now your entire bank is exposed for risk.
Uh... how is being kicked to the lobby safe?

02-Nov-2018 15:29:42

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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
logically, its the same as not looking at your character where you disagree. If it were to be smart, you would agree that at anytime you're not at looking at your character you shouldn't be logged in.


no as i can be doing something on the account when not looking at it. its called afk. and the maximum that cna be is the same as the auto log. so it works well as is


you mean idle.. ie not supposed to be logged in.

04-Nov-2018 19:51:56

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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
logically, its the same as not looking at your character where you disagree. If it were to be smart, you would agree that at anytime you're not at looking at your character you shouldn't be logged in.


no as i can be doing something on the account when not looking at it. its called afk. and the maximum that cna be is the same as the auto log. so it works well as is


you mean idle.. ie not supposed to be logged in.


so now wanting the shorten the timer?

and idle can work too yes

wont make difference to me if you shorten timer. only when i cook. but i wouldnt support it per se. as doesnt make sense to shorten same with lengthening.

Right.. since it'll effect you in a negative way.

05-Nov-2018 00:26:58

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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
logically, its the same as not looking at your character where you disagree. If it were to be smart, you would agree that at anytime you're not at looking at your character you shouldn't be logged in.


no as i can be doing something on the account when
not looking at it
. its called afk. and the maximum that cna be is the same as the auto log. so it works well as is


you mean idle.. ie not supposed to be logged in.


so now wanting the shorten the timer?

and idle can work too yes

wont make difference to me if you shorten timer
. only when i cook. but i wouldnt support it per se. as doesnt make sense to shorten same with lengthening.

Right.. since it'll effect you in a negative way.


it wouldnt effect me do you read anything i said? "wont make difference to me".... seriously thats literally written there you quoted it. and you say complete opposite... nicely done treacle


Can't deny thats not idle..

05-Nov-2018 22:10:38 - Last edited on 05-Nov-2018 22:12:09 by Elemental619

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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
logically, its the same as not looking at your character where you disagree. If it were to be smart, you would agree that at anytime you're not at looking at your character you shouldn't be logged in.


no as i can be doing something on the account when
not looking at it
. its called afk. and the maximum that cna be is the same as the auto log. so it works well as is


you mean idle.. ie not supposed to be logged in.


so now wanting the shorten the timer?

and idle can work too yes


wont make difference to me if you shorten timer
. only when i cook. but i wouldnt support it per se. as doesnt make sense to shorten same with lengthening.

Right.. since it'll effect you in a negative way.


it wouldnt effect me do you read anything i said? "wont make difference to me".... seriously thats literally written there you quoted it. and you say complete opposite... nicely done treacle


Can't deny thats not idle..


highlighted that part too. you really do need to start reading. i said it is idle.... lmao. you really need do need to read what is said...

Therefor shouldn't be logged in.

05-Nov-2018 22:38:46

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]Tenebri said:
indeed so no need to increase the timer to help people be logged in even more than they shouldnt.

well done for knocking your own suggestion

http://i.imgur.com//kKdBgAD.jpg

as you just said if idle no need to be logged in and i agree its what ive been saying since the bloody start

guess thread can finally be closed as op says to not increase timer if idle

damn took its time but done



And that includes afkers with in the 5 min zone. Contradiction much?

Also those memes you're posting makings you look bad for going around in circles trying to avoid the facts.

05-Nov-2018 22:58:34

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Draco Burnz said:
Elemental619 said:
And that includes afkers with in the 5 min zone. Contradiction much?


Wut?

Like how you just seemingly just go back and forth with what you say just to say something.

The only one i see contradicting themselves is you.

First you say you want this to happen now all of a sudden you dont.


Explain how I go back and forth? Its pretty straight forward. I'm not the one asking for special treatment on certain activities.

05-Nov-2018 23:21:59

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Draco Burnz said:
Elemental619 said:
Explain how I go back and forth? Its pretty straight forward. I'm not the one asking for special treatment on certain activities.


Yet you are.

You seemingly wanted to have extra time to be logged in for no apparent reason.

Now you are saying you dont want this to happen, thus you're going back and forth.


Did I? I only compared the two.

05-Nov-2018 23:44:12

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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
]Tenebri said:
indeed so no need to increase the timer to help people be logged in even more than they shouldnt.

well done for knocking your own suggestion

http://i.imgur.com//kKdBgAD.jpg

as you just said if idle no need to be logged in and i agree its what ive been saying since the bloody start

guess thread can finally be closed as op says to not increase timer if idle

damn took its time but done



And that includes afkers with in the 5 min zone. Contradiction much?

Also those memes you're posting makings you look bad for going around in circles trying to avoid the facts.


its a gif not a meme...

how is it a contradiction? you have just said if idle should be logged out. so your whole suggestion is now flawed. as after 5 minutes your account is literally idle. and you have said shouldnt be logged in if idle...

what facts am i avoiding? you've provided none.

If only you figured it out by now.

05-Nov-2018 23:44:50

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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Only if your logic actually made any sense. There were plenty of hints to help out.


you mean your logic of wanting to increase timer. when theres no reason to?

logic of not seeing the point of being logged in when your account isnt going to be doing anything? cause that seems logical to me. if you arent playing and your account isnt doing anything why be logged in?

you think its logical to be logged in?


instead of making false personal claims. why not give the reason as to why this should happen...

its been 62 pages. youve yet to give one. instead whenever the question comes up. you dont answer it. the more you dont answer the more reason we have to think you just cant admit to thinking of a bad suggestion. but instead try to hold onto it.

so come on poppet why is this a good idea?

why should the timer be increased. even though no activity in game will need you being idle for more than 5 minutes and still be doing something.

just give a reason. why is it so difficult for you to? (apart from the obvious there is no reason you can even think of)

you say theres been "hints" well hints dont help. why leave hints why not just bloody say it.


what would be a logical is to answer the question to help your cause. instead of saying the person asking doesnt have any logic

makes you look foolish.

so can you finally answer what should be an easy thing to answer? or are you incapable? (if the latter then you are just a troll and you win troll as its been 62 pages worth so grats)

Elemental619 said:

Not being forced to the lobby if you're .1 secs late getting back to the game...?


best thing i can find after this all you do is claim youve given a reason.

is this really the only thing? just incase you are 1 second late getting back to game?

hahahahahahaha


Its pretty simple you don't know the definition of idle then.

06-Nov-2018 02:42:09

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adjective
1.
(of a person) avoiding work; lazy.

2.
without purpose or effect; pointless.

verb
1.
(of a person) spend time doing nothing; be idle.

Right? So is afking with in 5 mins idle? What if its over 5 mins? If logic is the same, both shouldn't be logged in. How hard is it to understand? OR shouldn't be logged out?

Makes perfect sense

06-Nov-2018 02:48:04

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Draco Burnz said:
A  Cole said:
The problem with the yellow wizard is that the reset timer resets when you log out of the game. For those who are actively playing the game when they are at the keyboard, but get called away for those real life issues, the current timer is detrimental to their game play.

I'm talking about active players being disadvantaged when they have to step away for a short while. After all, is it even possible for anyone to sit by their PC without real life distractions?


The game isnt meant to be suited to ppl who arent playing as it doesnt make sense to.

So bots playing the game is just as important?
Tenebri said:
A  Cole said:
When you have gone AFK (again, for whatever reason), you are clearly not doing anything. I 100% agree with you on this, and in my opinion we should not even be able to get experience when we go AFK.


~A~


sweet so we shouldnt increase the log out to more than 5 minutes. because it should be reset if gone.

all is good

or

if it is an actual issue. the wizard wont reset if logged out. therefore not effecting the log out timer... so if this is an issue its not an issue with the log out timer. its an issue with logging out at all

Player waiting for minigames to start should be logged out since they're not technically playing?

06-Dec-2018 22:18:04

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Draco Burnz said:
Elemental619 said:
So bots playing the game is just as important?


???

How did you get this from what i said?

Please start making sense.

It does make perfect sense. Bots, 1 button/s = 1 actions. player, 1 button =1 action and what ever that is, they stay in game.
Again, a bot staying on and a person afking for 6+ mins shouldn't be logged in?

07-Dec-2018 01:26:41

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Tenebri said:
..... continued

Elemental619 said:

Player waiting for minigames to start should be logged out since they're not technically playing?


i dont know why you bought this up as we were talking about runespan not a minigame.

runespan he stated he was hunting for the wizards. i asked him how he was hunting for these wizards if he can trigger the auto log?

keep up poppet

It pretty much is and what is to dictate how players play the game?

15-Dec-2018 04:04:07

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Tenebri said:

actually a bot is 1 input = more than output thats why people use them to do stuff for them

player is 1 input = 1 output

that was one way i believe it was jagex explained how and why they are aginast rules

it was also used to show which mousekeys were allowed and not allowed

1 input = 1 output = allowed

1 input = more than one output = not allowed

so you saying that for bots really is strange. fundamentals of how botting is wrong as it does more than output for you.


but i dont know how you are now talking about bots. of course bots should be banned asap, whether its first time using for 50th. no matter what if the timer is increased to 1 hour or reduced to 90seconds this wont effect them at all. as there is script running keeping them online.

the fact that the player is doing nothing means they shouldnt be logged in. the fact that the bot is well botting... means they should be banned yes

you are comparing apples to not oranges but to a couch. they are far from comparable to this situation

botting we know is 100% against rules.
afking is not against the rules. and here you are trying to (or atleast i think trying to) imply we dont care that bots are staying logged in? because we dont agree with your idea of increasing or abolishing the log out timer.... i hope i just misinterpreted what you said and you are just trying to be clever.


but of course bots shouldnt be logged in at all.
to answer your question and yes after 5 minutes of no activity from a player they should also be logged out. due to inactivity.
as

Pretty much allowed to be logged in over afk players? why?

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Since when do xp rates matter for staying logged in after 5 mins? Actually.. when does it even matter for people afking?

As far as recent update goes, it can go back as far as a month and thats why theres no need to specify and there are plenty of them that support this.

15-Jan-2019 02:23:26

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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Since when do xp rates matter for staying logged in after 5 mins? Actually.. when does it even matter for people afking?

As far as recent update goes, it can go back as far as a month and thats why theres no need to specify and there are plenty of them that support this.


You really do need to say which one. As i cant see any that supoort this. Its like trying to create your own bias. When questioned. Nope i dont need to explain. its very suspect how youd rather defend you saying which one (which would help your own thread) than actually say it

And ill do same

The most recent updates really shows that this should not happen. Its surprising you still think is a valid suggestion.

now we have a contridiction ive said one thing youve said the other. which one will be more valid? the one thats actually given validity to it by saying (see my post about mining smith rework) or the one thats reluctant to even say which one (cause there isnt one)


And for the xp you are deliberately ignoring the fact that xp is important a main aspect to the game and growth of your account. And afking is now punished if you do it, By getting less x[ rates. Which inturn has a impact on the 5 minute log out. They are heavily connected. Dont play stupid now.

so why would they now make afking easier by making you be able to do it longer. when it seems jagex dont want you to do it.

see the connection now? i pretty much explained it before. but you know some people need that little more bless


According to you, anyone who is not gaining the most efficient xp is playing the game wrong as to the some ones wanting to not be kicked out of the game for afking because you said so? For that logic, 99% of the games content should be removed then. And if there was a brain, its pretty easy to figure out which updates would lead to having the logout timer removed.

15-Jan-2019 16:45:15

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Draco Burnz said:
Elemental619 said:
Since when do xp rates matter for staying logged in after 5 mins? Actually.. when does it even matter for people afking?

As far as recent update goes, it can go back as far as a month and thats why theres no need to specify and there are plenty of them that support this.


Yet still doesnt prove that they should increase timer.

Doesn't seem to prove that it removing it is a bad idea.

15-Jan-2019 16:46:01

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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Right and staying logged in w/o gaining is wrong?


after 5 minutes yes. use to be bannable (just afking was)

Sure it was.
Draco Burnz said:
Elemental619 said:
Doesn't seem to prove that it removing it is a bad idea.


Yet thats already been done multiple times throughout this thread so.

Not with taht statement.

15-Jan-2019 21:39:13

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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Right and staying logged in w/o gaining is wrong?


after 5 minutes yes. use to be bannable (just afking was)

Sure it was.


indeed it was

but nonetheless as you are now trying to get into conversation on something away from the main point ive been trying to make. ill just reiterate that instead.

being afk is punished with less xp (aka bfore the rework mining afk was more xp than mining afk now)
it seems jagex are not wanting you to afk their game. so why would they do this?

First. That was from 2011.

If you actually know the context, you would know theres two different things going on.

15-Jan-2019 22:15:36

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And clearly, when jagex made that statement, there was a method of training that was literally considered botting, which is already covered.

And for anyone afking, why does xp rate matter them? For them afking, don't think they care about anything but being kicked out of the game for no reason.

16-Jan-2019 01:03:16 - Last edited on 16-Jan-2019 01:09:48 by Elemental619

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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
We're this far in and the problem you bring up has already been addressed. Jagex is known for these small fixes anyway.


so you are just going to make a claim with out actually providing anything. how original.

well no this has not bee addressed at all considering its a completely new aspect due to the m&s rework. so no it has not been addressed at all. the fact you cant even quote where its been addressed. just goes to my first sentence.

Already been discussed.

27-Jan-2019 04:56:40

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David James said:
Yeah no, all this is asking for is assisted botting.

Lucky it's even at 5 mins, I remember the 30 sec timers back in the day. Even that short of a time period wasn't really annoying imo, I rarely got logged out.

Spin the camera a little every few minutes if you don't wanna log out before 5 minutes is up.

What era of a game are you playing 2000?

27-Jan-2019 04:57:40

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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Steelweaver said:
Elemental619 said:
Then we start removing afking activities.

Then we don't need an increase to the logout timer because you should always be paying attention to your game.

Right and to even start that, start removing 99% of the content.


It doesnt seem you are helping your cause. Are you now even trying? As it seems talking about something that will 100% never happen.

Nor is there any reason to stop new afking content being added.

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