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why are you wanting it increased? you said yourself the "only" benefit is combat and with combat you still want the 5 minute auto log. so whats the point? if the only benefit from doing this you dont want it to effect it.

if you cant answer that then no support. as youve negated your only reasoning for it
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07-May-2018 09:54:25 - Last edited on 07-May-2018 09:55:44 by Tenebri

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Elemental619 said:
Tophurious said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Its to stop abuse from the benefits of afking combat where everything else stops with in 1-2 mins.


how would it stop abuse?


Already answered. Have some exceptions with some activities so it wouldn't be abused.


wasnt answered, at all. if you are able reiterate what it is. so i know 100% i havent missed it. as so far a few people think it hasnt been answered.
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10-May-2018 19:51:32

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Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tophurious said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Its to stop abuse from the benefits of afking combat where everything else stops with in 1-2 mins.


how would it stop abuse?


Already answered. Have some exceptions with some activities so it wouldn't be abused.


wasnt answered, at all. if you are able reiterate what it is. so i know 100% i havent missed it. as so far a few people think it hasnt been answered.


just reposting as want answer
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11-May-2018 08:13:32

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Elemental619 said:
Draco Burnz said:
Elemental619 said:
^ exactly why it won't be abused if done right.


Yet this is jagex we're talking about.

When does anything go "right".


Theres still people who care about quality updates? Got me there.

Tenebri said:
Still havent seen an actual reason. As to why this shouldn't happen


Nothing can prove a negative
If its not broke dont fix it. Dont turn the burden on proof onto us. You are one wanting it. Give us your reasons for it. Otherwise there is no need

Considering thats what you said after the question just shows you dont even have anything anyway. Otherwise youd give your reason for it
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16-May-2018 14:33:16 - Last edited on 16-May-2018 14:34:18 by Tenebri

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Finally you giveva reason for this after 10 pages of asking (believe i first asked on first page)

Even so it sounds like a personal issue of concentration.

So you are wanting to leave (afk) and not be kicked out longer than 5 minutes. And also want the game to be more interactive.


I dont see issue with 5 minutes log out. Its just a case of one click back in game.

I agree with more interaction. Its why im 200m slayer (got it before aggression potions making it afk)
Same with hunter i did 200m as occupies my mind more constant clicking.

But i do olay 2 accounts at once one going for 5.4 other for whatever. I never log out of thembfrom too little activity. On either. So for me it holds benefit. Im always engaged in something.

Thanks for finally providing an answer finally so i could actually respond
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17-May-2018 14:08:21

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Konota said:
The timer is just fine as it is now.

Preventive - Perfomance. The more player profiles there is loaded in the world, the more perfomance issues we get. I wonder what would happen if nobody would logout at portable worlds...

Elemental619 said:
Theres still people who care about quality updates? Got me there.
Yup, therefore, I suggest not adding more minutes.


Pretty much this

Makes me want it to be less than 5 minutes. To get rid of people not playing but taking up space slowing down worlds
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17-May-2018 16:40:28 - Last edited on 17-May-2018 17:13:20 by Tenebri

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they are on different worlds. but least they are doing somethingKonota said:
No support for the sake of: 'actually' playing this game, as mentioned by other players in this thread and the obvious perfomance issues it gives.


^^ yup

"You'd need to define what performance issue we're having with this. Server lag? Connection issue? Server lag pretty much happens everywhere on all games where its crowded and you only mention it will only make it worse on these.. like 5 worlds while the other 100s aren't having any sort of these problems. "

as stated by you, all games have it. the more players the more lagg will happen. its pretty much common sense. has been a huge issue in past


"The reason i mentioned the lobby was to prove another point.. performance. Logging in the lobby doesn't cause much stress on the server or anything, but its still taking up bandwidth? Is taking up bandwidth a hindrance to other "active" players?"
lobby is its own server. not with a game play server. so no it doesnt as theres no game play involved. but actually being in the game doing nothing obviously will take up that space when lobby is best place for afk, (in face writing this ive now gone to lobby where i should go as im not playing the game)

and they have had definite answer to it. its a big no no to manipulate the game with 2 account, use cw as an example. one on zammy one of sara. one purposely makes there team loose (taking flag and not scoring etc, many ways to do so) so the other account wins. or starting a game just as main and alt and obvious win. or also stealing creating to manipulate that game. people have been banned from that.

they can be in same world and do whatever on it.as long as it doesnt manipulate the game for a huge benefit to one account. it has been stated many times over few years, its why alt scape is now bigger than before.


i wrote a lot on my other post :( was ignored except one small bit booo lol
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17-May-2018 20:13:08

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CuddleBucket said:
There is activities that don't require input for longer than the timer - maybe the timer should start when you stop performing actions?



Way it is is fine already.

That would be op. Take hefin pillars for instance. That would be 20+ minutes of not needing to do anything for 20k xp. Could literally start go to work / school. Come back 20k agility for one click
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19-May-2018 13:54:26 - Last edited on 19-May-2018 13:56:17 by Tenebri

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Kopaka said:
Tenebri said:
CuddleBucket said:
There is activities that don't require input for longer than the timer - maybe the timer should start when you stop performing actions?



Way it is is fine already.

That would be op. Take hefin pillars for instance. That would be 20+ minutes of not needing to do anything for 20k xp. Could literally start go to work / school. Come back 20k agility for one click


Yawn. Just another easy example of how an exception can be implemented.

Make Serenity Posts kick you off the post if you don't change poses for longer than 5 minutes. Would improve even the current state of afkers.


why are you wanting development time on so much stuff for no benefit?


and also
i thought you were opposed to making game more afk? you are wanting it less afk or atleast rewarding more afk. this is exactly how you reward afk.... so why are you for this? but in the thread you made, is against that?

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I personally detest the current state the game is in, where pretty much most activities can be played effetively with the client minimized, checking back periodically from youtube to click a button for another 20 seconds of activity.
......


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My perspective on the AFK nature of the game has been changing significantly. I have begun to feel quite strongly that AFK activites like Prifpocketing are a scourge
to the game and do not belong in an MMORPG. Read http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/c=1Pl6FkZ6ILw/forums.ws?74,75,792,66011355,0#8 to see more of my thoughts on this issue.
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19-May-2018 22:34:33 - Last edited on 19-May-2018 22:42:05 by Tenebri

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Elemental619 said:
I?


setting up mouse keysin that way is against rules. so thats already dealt with and shouldnt be used as an argument against this. as it bannable offence.

at dks go back up the ladder, then you can log out my 3.8k dks kills i never had an issue.

i agree with that its a bad thing... so why are you wanting it? you are wanting something that mimics botting now? and we are talking rs3 not osrs. they two different games. extending the timer is only going to make things like splashing occur more.... when youve just said its a bad thing.

these arent reasons for 5 minute log out to be extended. it shows we really shouldnt increase it.
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20-May-2018 08:52:08 - Last edited on 20-May-2018 08:55:51 by Tenebri

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Konota said:
Uncle Pob said:
....

Nah, I can only see downsides to this. + the already mentioned from previous pages, that nobody could gave an answer to.

Someone participated yesterday's Mod stream in world 24? The 1200 players (NOT FULL-NOT EVEN CLOSE) world was not what I call fluid gameplay. Not only does it reduce lower rigs FPS (if standing near others), but also the server->client responses. Let's keep it how it is right now.
(^ Also the reason why I do not want world reductions.)


Yup agree
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23-May-2018 13:49:00

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Uncle Pob said:
Konota said:
Uncle Pob said:
....

Nah, I can only see downsides to this. + the already mentioned from previous pages, that nobody could gave an answer to.


Which are what, exactly?

Let's take a look at my woodcutting example again: in all but three cases, a chopped tree will either be cut-down entirely within the 5 minutes, or the player would have gathered enough logs that it would be impossible to continue chopping.

The three exceptions are:

- Yew tree
- Magic tree
- Elder tree

One of those exceptions also comes pre-equipped with it's own solution to the problem; Elder trees last a predetermined length of time during which logs can be cut, which is shorter than the auto-logout timeout. You can click on an Elder tree and be safe in the knowledge that you won't be booted to the lobby while still chopping.

So that leaves Yews and Magics, two types of tree which are more than capable of being chopped completely within the allowed timeframe and usually are. In fact it's very rare for either of these trees to remain standing after a full five minutes of continuous chopping, however it's those 1 in 10 chances that the particular tree you're chopping will do that which force you to tab back into the game every 2 minutes, spin the camera with the middle mouse button, then tab back to what you were doing.

So a rare possibility that a tree might last slightly longer than the auto-logout timer would be an easy thing to fix: simply prevent trees from lasting quite that long, meaning that on average trees would still stick-around the same length of time that they currently do, but you wouldn't get the odd tree that causes the game to kick you to the server just because you idly sat back in your seat and watched while your character swung his axe.


Why change somethig to fit the idea? If the idea works it works. It evidently doesnt
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24-May-2018 13:46:00

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Omega Power said:
No Support


It takes less than 2 seconds to click anywhere on the screen every
5 minutes
to reset the log out timer.


exactly

Draco Burnz said:
Jokku23 said:
I like to chill with Anja and do nothing and then I get logged out even though I'm watching at my screen all the time


Thats because you choose not to interact with the client thus you shouldnt be logged in.


pretty much yeah, if you arent interacting with rs why be on it....
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06-Jul-2018 21:46:39 - Last edited on 06-Jul-2018 21:48:09 by Tenebri

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Jokku23 said:
Draco Burnz said:
Jokku23 said:
I like to chill with Anja and do nothing and then I get logged out even though I'm watching at my screen all the time


Thats because you choose not to interact with the client thus you shouldnt be logged in.

Why? I am watching the screen all the time. I want to focus
100%
on admiring Anja.
Having to keep track of time to click something every 5 minutes really ruins the mood.


youve answered your own question you want 100% attention on something else. so log out
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07-Jul-2018 09:55:33 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2018 09:58:01 by Tenebri

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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
Jokku23 said:
Why? I am watching the screen all the time. I want to focus
100%
on admiring Anja.
Having to keep track of time to click something every 5 minutes really ruins the mood.


youve answered your own question you want 100% attention on something else. so log out

Not something else, something that's in game.


so you are just staring at anja the npc in rimmington. okay enjoy, im sure you can spare a hand every 4 minutes 59 seconds to cursor
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07-Jul-2018 18:18:46

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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
so you are just staring at anja the npc in rimmington. okay enjoy, im sure you can spare a hand every 4 minutes 59 seconds to cursor

Jokku23 said:
I want to focus 100% on admiring Anja. Having to keep track of time to click something every 5 minutes really ruins the mood.



https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/runescape2/images/1/12/Anja.png/revision/latest?cb=20130213081633

now you dont have to
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07-Jul-2018 19:18:52

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Kopaka said:
Just for those who may not have seen it, I still think this idea is really quite ideal.

Kopaka said:
Here's a slightly different suggestion:

Make the client no longer log-out automatically (or have a much longer automatic log-out timer, like 30 minutes or something) if your character is resting.

You can't be skilling if you are resting.



why would you want to stay logged in? and not interacting. if speaking to people sure but that wont effect the log out timer cause interaction.

whats the benefit of staying logged in in this case?
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07-Jul-2018 20:21:41

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Kopaka said:
I've answered this numerous times and you just don't accept the answer that some people would prefer not to have to log in again.


but you go to lobby

1 click to log back in (clicking the world you want) youd have to click to get yourself out of rest.

dont fix something thats not broken.

the only reason i can see if "for when im not playing it will be helpful" which isnt good enough for this change in my opinion.

im wanting changed that actually effects game play not laziness of clicking once in loby or relogging in....

if you are away from keyboad to that extent you require 30 minutes or 15 minutes whatever, jagex even suggest to log out they say never leave yourself logged in when going away from keyboard for security reasons.
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07-Jul-2018 21:38:17 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2018 21:45:02 by Tenebri

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Kopaka said:
Again you fail to accept it, but fine. You are willingly blind at this point.

WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO LOG IN AGAIN.

Yes duh it's one click. Does that change the fact that I'd prefer if my character just stayed logged in? Sure doesn't. Should it matter to you? Sure shouldn't. Does it? For the life of me I don't know why you give two mega ducklings what I do with my time.

Blah blah blah security like someone is going to break into my apartment just to steal my Runescape gp. If they do, fine, I accept the blame. Honestly I'd just be glad they didn't take the laptop.


nope i dont accept your pathetic excuse for a reason. youve said i say thats no real reason to change it. you need accept that so if you have any other reasons as to why its helpful other than not actually playing and laziness. im all ears.

caps locks are out oh my you be shouting. have i touched a nerve :L

yes- blah blah blah- (very mature) im just repeating what jagex have said about leaving rs logged in when leaving computer. they are against it. so increasing the timer more than 5 minutes doesnt seem like something theyd do because people are lazy to log in.

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I personally detest the current state the game is in, where pretty much most activities can be played effetively with the client minimized, checking back periodically from youtube to click a button for another 20 seconds of activity.


happy to afk if not playing at all. but rather new things be less afk?


i honestly just see no logical reason to increase the time limit. yes your suggestion is about being "rest"... but its so small its negligible but you seem so passionate about it. its like there must be more to it than just, i dont want to log back in again.

yes if it was implimented it would effect me probably very little. maybe not at all. but that doesnt mean i should agree with it. or i cant ask questions. or even disagree
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07-Jul-2018 23:15:17 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2018 23:22:42 by Tenebri

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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
yes if it was implimented it would effect me probably very little. maybe not at all. but that doesnt mean i should agree with it. or i cant ask questions. or even disagree

Of course you don't have to support something that doesn't benefit you, but if you are strongly opposed to it, it would be great if you gave reasons why. :)

The only reason seems to be you don't see why this is useful, but people have given reasons why this would be useful to them. Please consider that other people might play the game differently than you.


im aware people play differently thats why im asking the questions as to how its useful and all i get "im lazy to log in"
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08-Jul-2018 07:57:09

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Kopaka said:
Tenebri said:

.


i know you didnt say it. but not wanting to click once is lazy when the way to fix it is changing something. so im going to say its lazy

nope not wanting to do combat is a game style / choice. apples and oranges there.

ive never told anyone that they cant enjoy their game style. ive never told anyone to grind out all 200ms. i dont know where you are getting this in the comments i left? can you point out how i told people to play? i cant even see how you can twist what im saying to that. mind boggling. so foryou to quote "play the game right" is just weird and putting words into my mouth which id never say.

yeah go for it read what is said by your friends. but complaining that you have to click once now and again isnt warrant to get it changed.

actually im barely on all pages in this so no i havent debated for 19 pages. and yes to want to have someone change an aspect in the game in the game over not wanting to click once now and again. (which youd have to do if your method was to come in place anyway) isnt going to be enough to make that change.

indeed i dislike questing to. but the "vast majority" of people you speak to how many of the million active monthly player base is that? ive spoken to many people that love the lore and questing.

even though im not fond on questing i have done all quests as i love completing games to full extent every game ive played its saved as 100% rs will never get to that obviously but hey ho i can get close.

but what you are talking about isnt addressing this thread you are going personal onto me. saying im saying x y and z when i havent at all. dancing around my actual questions to the matter. i left 2 long posts and you adress i used the word "lazy" to describe your reasoning which i still stand by. so you havent addressed anything at all. yes 19 pages is alot and weve got no where im still no. left long reasonings
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08-Jul-2018 13:20:05

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ive asked you to give your reasonings which you say you have. and to me those "reasonings" dont warrant any change so unless you can expand it. im never going to change my mind on the matter. and ive changed my mind on many things when reasoning is worth it.

you want 15 timer when resting. why... because you want to stay logged in when reading peoples conversations. the log in timer is log people out when they arent active in the game. guess what you arent active in the game. therefore you should be logged out. weve touched on memory with in server. some people bought up botting but for me i dont see how botting would be effected. ive bought up jagex are against being un active and away from cpu due to security. (yes chances are low if in your own house. but people do play public place)
ive bought up how you dislike afk training methods. i know if just resting this wont effect it at all. but the OP is increasing it no matter. that will make afk skilling easier and more effective. (ivelogged out twice now while mining alaea crablets, while typing this) which goes against the thread you created.

and all you have to support this idea is (if its not a troll response) looking at npc's and requires both hands otherwise it kills mood....

and i dont want to log in while not being active with in the game


so tell me again how your arguments holds any validity?


Edit: i was interested to see how many posts i have made on this thread as you mention arguing for 19 pages, i have 17 singular posts. a few of which i ran out of space so had to be doubled. but for sake of arguing 17 posts in 19 pages less than 10%, and to cross reference to be fair. you have 33 responses. was just curious not making a point. as there isnt one. fun facts lol
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08-Jul-2018 13:27:10 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2018 13:33:41 by Tenebri

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Kopaka said:
Tenebri said:
Draco Burnz said:
Jokku23 said:
I like to chill with Anja and do nothing and then I get logged out even though I'm watching at my screen all the time


Thats because you choose not to interact with the client thus you shouldnt be logged in.


pretty much yeah, if you arent interacting with rs why be on it....


yup

why be on a game if you arent interacting on it? i dont see the relevance of this quoting

but thanks for again only resonding to one point

(apologies if you are editing. i know i edit a lot so i could just be too quick)


Tenebri said:

so tell me again how your arguments holds any validity?


this is the main thing i want you to respond to. so if you want to ignore everything i wrote. but one thing this is the thing id like an answer to. considering everything that has been against it (which i did point out. i may have missed a few but i believe those 3 or 4 were main discussions about it) if youd had to way up pros and cons i see the cons being more effective than the pros
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08-Jul-2018 13:36:12 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2018 13:40:36 by Tenebri

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Kopaka said:
A person supporting an idea who is arguing for it has a lot more reason to be posting than someone who is against it and just comes back again and again to say "nope that reason still doesn't satisfy me".

*i dont know why you are responding to something i even said im not making a point to* there are more effective things i have said to respond to but ohwell....
not necessarily,think theres some threads out there ive been against and i probably have highest count. but as stated it was just a fun fact i wanted to find out. holds nothing to anyones argument for or against.

and nope still doesnt satisfy is good enough. i cant control what is satisfying enough. it is what it is.

ill use another extreme analogy cause they're fun. no "evidence" for god is satisfying enough no matter how many times i hear them im still an atheist. until one is satisfying enough ill be an atheist. same goes here until it is satisfying my views will stay the same. i cant control that your arguments seem to lack *something" which will make me go "damn you know what okay i agree with you"

and i ask maybe multiple times in hopes that the "oh damn" moment happens.
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Kopaka said:
Tenebri said:
so tell me again how your arguments holds any validity?




1. why does it matter. lets look at your thread on afk skilling and how its killing the game... you seem to be wanting less afk skilling (not abolish it) but less this is countering that. so look at your own thread for that. as you are against it

2. see above, you are trying to make it look like you have points when infact you have one. and 2 and 3 are repeating it.... which again you have made a thread on
its odd you are for wanting to make afk skilling easier, yet say you detest how most skills can be done with client minimized. to me thats 2 contradictory statements. your artisian workshop example is great. if timer was increased. artisian workshop is easier. which you know detest....


indeed it is easy. you are only one that seems to have such an issue on it to complain. my 14 years playing ive never seen anyone say. i hate this 5 minute timer. because guess what they are playing the game (yes youve touched on i cant dictate what classifies as game play to individuals) but if you need longer than 5 minutes with out interaction. how is that game play. this isnt adventure capitalist. its an mmorpg. with 99% of game play requiring less than 5 minutes of game play to be active.

with your argument i could say i agree. i just want my game time to be 5k days. with 0 xp gain no quests done etc. my only goal is 5k days played on my runemetrics. so because this game style i chose to play. i demand the log out timer to be 24 hours.
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08-Jul-2018 14:10:56 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2018 14:22:27 by Tenebri

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so you are now wanting to increase afk aspect of the game? or atleast help the afk aspect of the game?

(i know we had a discussion on what defines afk and we both disagreed so if we are talking about 2 different definitions again we will get no where)


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You are inventing a problem where none exists.

i find the irony in this so funny
as theres no problem with the 5 minute timer. it works as intended. you can do 99% of all afk activities in 5 minutes. the closest ones being arc (most things deplete on 5 minute marker) and artisian workshop which is longer than 5 minutes. i cant think of anything else. i havent done deep sea fishing to know if thats 5 minutes or not. even so 99.X% of activites require less than 5 minutes of concentration. so there really is noproblem

unless ofcourse you like anja ;)
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08-Jul-2018 14:28:54 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2018 14:51:56 by Tenebri

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Kopaka said:
I take issue with the game content being designed to be used in a non-active manner.

1. Bank
2. Withdraw Preset
3. Cut 28 Gems
4. Repeat

Exchange item 3 with any of probably 250 possible objects and you get 90% of what most people spend a lot of their time doing.

Whereas someone who just wants to sit around and not do anything I couldn't care less. If they want to log in and stand in one place that has nothing to do with the game developers or the game design.


its been that way for a long time pretty much since day one. (except no preset, they added that for convenience)
hmm maybe not day one as obviously game play has changed. which is why presets were introduced as that is what most players wanted to do. it helped QOL with presets. was annoying before presets. but was still done.

i couldnt care less either.if someones only goal was that. again im not saying there game play is wrong or right. you have weird obsession of putting that in my mouth. im saying its a choice of game play thats not intended game play. is it right or wrong no. but the way devs make the game is the way it should be considered when changing something. thats why now we have mtx rwt was an issue so it was introduced to combat that. but thats because rwt is an actual issue, concentrating on anja for more than 5 minutes is not. wanting to not be involved in a conversation but wanting to read it. is not an issue for devs. its personal one.
which is why we have ironmen accounts. as ironmen accounts have been for years they decided to place it as a game feature. because guess what its engaging challenging game feature which is great
looking at anja would not be worth the devs time. same with i want to stay logged in even though im not engaging in anyway.
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08-Jul-2018 14:56:12 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2018 14:58:28 by Tenebri

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Kopaka said:

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thats not what i meant at all. using this thread as example.

dev sees this thread reads through it
thinks hmmm someone "plays" this game by just looking at npc im going to support this game play increase timer.

or

dev sees this thread reads through it
sees someone says they play this game by looking at npc. engaging in himself... (or herself) do you think that type of game play is the way its intended to be played?

like ironman pures skillers etc. they saw this game play in game and have gone with it. even though it wasnt intentional to keep 1 defence, or not trade etc. theyve only gone with ironmen as another official acount build. the only thing for pures is accidental 2 def+ reset. theyve added something to the game even though it wasnt the intent of devs to play this way.
how do you think theyll respond to. watching an npc. and watching peoples conversation while not actually being involved in them.
(your knew one of evolution of the game being more afk.... which you seem to actually be against in one thread but for in this one)
are they going to put time and effort in to help with this type of "game play" when infact there is no real engaging activity (maybe for jok hes engaging in something... but yeah...)

so yes suggestion are suggestions, they then require discussion to say yes or no. im not against suggestions. i understand how i worded it can be confusing.

out of curiousity. ive said im willing to change my mind if you present good enough argument (which just seems to be repeating oneself) are you willing to change your mind? as obviously the stuff been said hasnt been enough for you personally.
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08-Jul-2018 15:29:59 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2018 15:47:35 by Tenebri

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Kopaka said:
Tenebri said:
[A developer] sees someone [who] says they play this game by looking at [a] npc. engaging in himself... (or herself) do you think that type of game play is the way it's intended to be played?


Personally I don't think it's the developers job to decide how their game should or shouldn't be played. It's one thing to say, "We don't want players to ruin other players game experience", which is reasonable, or, "We don't want players to make an account just to sell it to someone else", or, "We don't want you to use multiple accounts to gain an unfair advantage over someone using only one account". But for them to say, "We think that you should train Woodcutting, because it's better than training Fishing" would obviously be ridiculous. What you are saying is that by your perspective, a player who just wants to look at the game is not playing it. Well, says who? Says you, I guess. Is your opinion important to the player who just wants to look at the game? Is it important to the Devs? It's not disruptive behaviour, it's not exploitative.


youve taken my basic example wayyy to literal. im aware its not the devs thats decide etc. if i was to go through the process of a game change (which i 100% obviously dont know i dont work at jagex) i probably need pages worth.

it was example to explain what i meant. which you questioned. so can you answer or are you going strawman on me? actually respond to what i said. im not here to defend how changes are made. i used a very basic analogy to explain a question you had on a statement i made that could have been taken 2+ ways. stawman i find annoying. as its deliberate tapdance around the actual question
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08-Jul-2018 15:54:56 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2018 15:56:11 by Tenebri

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Kopaka said:
Tenebri said:
out of curiousity. ive said im willing to change my mind if you present good enough argument (which just seems to be repeating oneself) are you willing to change your mind? as obviously the stuff been said hasnt been enough for you personally.


Well look. The game is already how it is. I play it. I don't boycott it just because I think it would be better if it had a longer logout timer.

So your question is, would there be sufficient reason that might cause me to change my tune, and argue that the timer is good enough how it is and has no reason to change? I mean,
I doubt it,
because I am pretty convinced that my arguments make a lot of sense. Primarily I don't see any negative effects the way most people do. To me it's not a negative thing for people to be able to AFK longer, whether skilling, combat, or otherwise. Not sure how I could be convinced that it is a negative thing. I guess hypothetically if I saw evidence of it being negative then I might lose some motivation. I'm generally a live-and-let-live type of person so I don't see how I would ever be motivated to argue against this topic as strongly as you and Draco like to. In fact I don't think I've ever been as committed to arguing against any idea as you two have been on pretty much every idea I've ever made. Kinda gets my dander up after a while.

Sorry if lumping you and Draco together feels unfair but honestly the number of times either he quotes you with a ^ sign or vice versa seems pretty uncanny.


then theres no point in debating with someone that has a closed mind and or not open to change there opinions


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it was fun though. shame
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08-Jul-2018 15:59:46 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2018 16:01:49 by Tenebri

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Draco Burnz said:
Tenebri said:


then theres no point in debating with someone that has a closed mind and or not open to change there opinions


https://puu.sh/ASWwb.jpg

it was fun though. shame


Pretty much.


even though when i originally came on this thread is was to voice my opinion at first glance like every other thread. when an actual discussion happens it changes. and even though i never come here to change peoples minds. that always is the way things like this end is when one person goes. "actually you're right" and if its only going to be me. (only if argument is strong enough) then yeah theres no point.

i had to learn this because i do debate a lot when JW's knock on door they are brilliant to debate with. but i always ask that one question "are you willing to change your mind" if its a no then i will stop as theres no point. even someone thinks 2+2 = 17 and is not willing to change mind they will always be stuck no matter how much debating is going on.

so yeah its unfortunate as its been 20 or 21 pages now. a lot of un needed typing when a simple

"i disagree" would of done exactly the same to all my 20+ responses
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i dont do well with doubt to me thats a "i want to say yes, but i know im not going to because i prefer to be right no matter how much is thrown my way"

because if you know full well it would be 100% yes you would have said yes. which you didnt. you doubt yourself. so i have to doubt you too

sorry :/

oh edit forgot to respond to last paragraph

i have over 14k posts have you read every single one?

to clarify i use to be christian, im now atheist and support anti theism. thats me changing my mind.

Tenebri said:
UrekMazino said:
Tenebri said:
as already stated its 1/5000 for every single one. unless you use champion scroll enhancer then while its active is 1/2500

lol no, the champ scroll enhancer makes it 1.2/5000, which is about 1/4166.7. If it upped the drop rate to 1/2500, I would've converted all my unf enhancers for imp scroll lol.


is it really?

then i got very lucky on my last champscrolls using them i got them all before 1k using them (noted was only 3 champs)


you are right i just looked it up. i thought was double chance, i got even luckier than i thought then


^^ again idk if you can see as is hlf i dont know if you have access not checked your stats but im sure people can confirm its me acknowledging i was wrong. as you are now asking for proof of me changing my mind

this is now off topic and as i said before.... theres no point
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08-Jul-2018 16:10:19 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2018 16:15:03 by Tenebri

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Kopaka said:
You're the one putting words in my mouth now. I never said that I refuse to change my mind.

We are debating on a subject of opinions not of facts. It's not like the example you gave about the existence of god because you are looking for evidence in that case. There isn't "evidence" in what we are talking about. We are talking about the pros and cons of a hypothetical change.


i never said you did. i said you doubt yourself on it.

Tenebri said:

because if you know full well it would be 100% yes you would have said yes. which you didnt. you doubt yourself. so i have to doubt you too

see i said you doubt you can change mind. so i have to doubt your ability to too...
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08-Jul-2018 16:15:40 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2018 16:17:24 by Tenebri

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Kopaka said:
Ohhhhh you got me Tenebri, I'm not 100% sure that you are going to change my mind, therefore I must be 100% sure you won't. You sure got me there.


again strawman

i wasnt asking if you think im capable of changing your mind. i was asking if you are able to change your mind

so nice twist on words but you know 100% that wasnt what i was asking

Tenebri said:
Kopaka said:

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out of curiousity. ive said im willing to change my mind if you present good enough argument (which just seems to be repeating oneself) are you willing to change your mind? as obviously the stuff been said hasnt been enough for you personally.


so no i really wasnt asking if im able to change your mind. i literally was asking are you capable of changing your mind. didnt mention my capability of changing of yours. didnt mention someone else doing it. i just said are you capable of changing your mind.
i mention the stuff so far hasnt been enough. which is referencing myself draco. and everyone else that has said no to this. so your twist on saying can i change your mind. really is lowest of the low

so yeah nice try but ^^^ its obvious
Kopaka said:
I doubt it, because I am pretty convinced that my arguments make a lot of sense. Primarily I don't see any negative effects the way most people do. To me it's not a negative thing for people to be able to AFK longer, whether skilling, combat, or otherwise. Not sure how I could be convinced that it is a negative thing. I guess hypothetically if I saw evidence of it being negative then I might lose some motivation.

even your answers refers to you are convinced with yourself and said evidence not my evidence, any evidence. so you knew when writing this also.

ill finish this with

no support on changing timer on log out. as nothing has been presented to warrant a change. its fine as is
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08-Jul-2018 16:20:10 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2018 16:57:25 by Tenebri

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CuddleBucket said:
Tenebri said:
CuddleBucket said:
Wow you guys have been busy lol.

Anyway, support for fixing the inactivity timer.


lol fixing
lol


to determine if something needs fixing it needs to be shown its broken. and out of the 21 pages we have these 3 things as a support for changing the timer

watching an npc that doesnt kill mood
watching a conversation which you arent involved in / engaging in (it could be about you i guess)
the game is more afk (even though 99% of afk methods require a click to carry on before the 5 minute timer)

so how is it broken? then we can see how to fix it (if it is actually broken)
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CuddleBucket said:
What is the purpose of the timer?
Once you get there, you'll realize it doesn't work as intended anymore.


so instead of answering question you ask one.

but ill carry it on.

do tell me what is the original purpose of the 5 minute auto log

**disclaimer** i am just asking to see what you think the reason for the 5minute timer is for.


eh

bored of waiting

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Firstly, the logout timer has been increased from ninety seconds to five minutes. This means that you will not be automatically logged out before this amount of time has passed
– particularly useful when you want to check the forums or the Game Guide while training combat or chopping down trees.
The only exception to this is if you lose connection; if this happens, you will be automatically logged out after 30 seconds as usual (or after 60 seconds if you lose connection during combat). Make sure you stay on the watch for random events, and for other players who want to talk to you.


so again i retort

how is it broken?

13th january 2009 update is source
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09-Jul-2018 15:53:06 - Last edited on 09-Jul-2018 16:13:32 by Tenebri

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CuddleBucket said:
That's what it does.

What is the purpose of it?

I know you can do this.


speaking to you is mind numbing

it seems you are not capable of answering a simple question. just doing a tapdance instead.

instead of doing this little dance. are you capable of actually answering the question? or is this your way of not actually answering because you cant?
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09-Jul-2018 16:54:35 - Last edited on 09-Jul-2018 16:58:48 by Tenebri

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CuddleBucket said:
You should be a detective, I'm very impressed.

Do you think it's just to lobby people for the sake of it?
Do you think it's about bots like some other interesting people.

You can get there yourself, you don't need me to hold your hand.

eek i dont like touching people *personal space*
but to answer

no
no (i have spoken about that in this thread youd know my answers to them if you read them)
Tenebri said:


some people bought up botting but for me i dont see how botting would be effected.



CuddleBucket said:
Tenebri said:
Original message details are unavailable.
. ]The only exception to this is if you lose connection; if this happens, you will be automatically logged out after 30 seconds as usual (or after 60 seconds if you lose connection during combat). Make sure you stay on the watch for random events, and for other players who want to talk to you.
13th january 2009 update is source
As Tenebri has pointed out, the inactivity timer has been increased in the past to change with the times, & is overdue for its next evolution.
EOT lol :D


for what extent is it overdue?

as i stated previously 99% of afk activities are less than 5 minutes worth of afk

arc activities are 5 minutes exactly. being the 1%

so how is it due an increase? when the afk time we need is less than 5 minutes? except one activity? (which im doing right now fun fact)

so thats why i couldnt get to your problem with it. because its not an actual problem

it seems you need jagex to hold your hand of this difficult task on staying logged in when it shouldnt effect your afk game play at all

you're creating an issue when there isnt one
:D
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09-Jul-2018 17:12:17 - Last edited on 09-Jul-2018 17:27:05 by Tenebri

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CuddleBucket said:
Wow you're quite invested in this.


not really

but again not answering a simple question. so im just going to assume you have none otherwise you would have given it by now

so yeah really is no reason to change the auto log timer....


just red herring

this whole thread you can turn into a logical fallacy drinking game. be drunk in no time
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09-Jul-2018 18:46:51 - Last edited on 09-Jul-2018 18:51:03 by Tenebri

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Jokku23 said:
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so yeah really is no reason to chnage the auto log timer....

There are reasons but you don't accept them. :P


as discussed for past idk how many pages

ive been asking for these reasons. ive pointed out the 3 "reasons" people have given and yes i do not accept them as they do not warrant a change

your fictiophila is not a reason to change it
kops not wanting to log back in - isnt reason to change it
cuddles - thinking the game has changed so afk we need more than 5 minutes worth of afk - again isnt enough to warrant a change because... as stated a few times now 5 minutes is more than what you need to be afk to play the game

i could make a counter argument using your same logic.

i want the timer to be reduced to 30 seconds therefore i will be forced to conctrate more so i can stay logged in while skilling to increase my xp ph.

again that isnt warrant to change the timer to 30 seconds. like yours arent warrant to increase it. (but using your logic it actually should be)
cuddle has a more interesting reasoning but it fails as rs isnt at a stage were we need more than 5 minutes afk if even 30% of the game is more than 5 minutes afk then sure change it but its not its more like 1%

just seems you cant accept your "reasoning" isnt actual reasons.
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09-Jul-2018 18:58:23 - Last edited on 09-Jul-2018 19:08:49 by Tenebri

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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
ive pointed out the 3 "reasons" people have given and yes i do not accept them as they do not warrant a change

Yes, you don't accept them. But, there are reasons why people want this. :)


so what

that doesnt mean its good enough to happen

like i said i had reasons to make it 30 seconds. does that mean it should be 30?


Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
just seems you cant accept your "reasoning" isnt actual reasons.

Please consider there are people who play the game differently than you. Something might be beneficial to them even if it's not to you.


ive touched on this few pages back ill find it and quote it.

found it but its out of context to this but nonetheless click it take you there
Tenebri said:
Kopaka said:
Tenebri said:





and like ive also just pointed out. there is a game style people would benefit from having a 30 seconds auto log....

peoples game styles are not enough to grant a change into the log out timer.

i dont know why people keep giving the "there are different game styles" as it actually means anything. because there ones where theyd be better off with a increased timer. and there are ones with a lower timer. so thats why its a void point that keeps popping up because its you grasping at straws.

im not using my game style as a reason to keep it at 5minutes or to decrease it. so again i say i have no idea why you even say that as a point.

actually provide evidence for your claim instead of just bringing up stuff that isnt related

if you cant. then my point is still no support.
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09-Jul-2018 19:12:49 - Last edited on 09-Jul-2018 19:26:11 by Tenebri

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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri, the difference is that you said it would not affect you negatively but you just don't see why it's needed. If it was reduced to 30 seconds, it would affect us negatively, so it's a different thing. However:

Tenebri said:
so what

that doesnt mean its good enough to happen

like i said i had reasons to make it 30 seconds. does that mean it should be 30?

If some people want 30 secs, some 5 mins, some 15 min, they could let us choose the logout timer length (in game options). :)


yes it would but thats not what im arguing for

yes and ive touched on i can still have an opinion on the matter when it doesnt effect me

i believe i used cake as an analogy.

the end thing really. is your game play doesnt mean things should be changed. your unique way of playing doesnt mean you should get special treatment of updates.

if the game doesnt need to change something it doesnt need a change


5 minutes ismore than enough to play the game. because you personally play it an unconventional way doesnt mean it should be more.

its just an argument from ignorance.

im bored of logical fallacies.

you think you deserve special treatment which is not true you dont.

the point im trying to make is. ignoring game styles (because they shouldnt be involved in making these decision as it will effect people negatively and other positively) and thats all your argument is. "but i play this way and it will help me" **throws toys on floor**
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Jokku23 said:
Also, you said the reason I want this was laziness:

Tenebri said:
im aware people play differently thats why im asking the questions as to how its useful and all i get "im lazy to log in"


When actually it was nothing to do with that:

Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
im aware people play differently thats why im asking the questions as to how its useful and all i get "im lazy to log in"

The reason I gave you was not about me being lazy:

Jokku23 said:
I want to focus 100% on admiring Anja. Having to keep track of time to click something every 5 minutes really ruins the mood.


And you never replied to that. This shows that you fail to accept any reasoning that differs from your playing style.


im pointing out game style shouldnt be included when deciding if something should happen or not. you think it does.

game style is not important -you ar the one using it as a reason for it. im not using game style for it or against it. saying its about playing style is just twisting my words when im responding to you. as if im bringing it up

and yes i have responded to that. i gave you laarge picture of anja. saying no more 5 minute clicking you says live thing is better. and ifact ive given loads and loads of responses to thst through out as its "fictiophilia" just press ctrl f type in fictiophilia and youll see when ive used it as response, and just go back the pages

my original real response was apparatnyl inappropriate? so was removed. even though it was actually addressing you wanting to look at anja and not having any "mood killers"

so i have addressed it many many many times
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10-Jul-2018 07:39:53 - Last edited on 10-Jul-2018 07:47:34 by Tenebri

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CuddleBucket said:
Tenebri said:
CuddleBucket said:
Wow you're quite invested in this.


not really

but again not answering a simple question. so im just going to assume you have none otherwise you would have given it by now

so yeah really is no reason to change the auto log timer....


just red herring

this whole thread you can turn into a logical fallacy drinking game. be drunk in no time
Why assume stuff?

I understand you think it's a difficult question.
I don't.

Why do they have the inactivity timer?
If you wanna play dumb you can play by yourself.


ive answered this youve even quoted my answer

Tenebri said:
CuddleBucket said:
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Original message details are unavailable.
Firstly, the logout timer has been increased from ninety seconds to five minutes. This means that you will not be automatically logged out before this amount of time has passed
– particularly useful when you want to check the forums or the Game Guide while training combat or chopping down trees.
The only exception to this is if you lose connection; if this happens, you will be automatically logged out after 30 seconds as usual (or after 60 seconds if you lose connection during combat). Make sure you stay on the watch for random events, and for other players who want to talk to you.


so again i retort

how is it broken?

13th january 2009 update is source

now answer how is borken with out bouncing a question off to me
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Kopaka said:
Your quote answers why it's longer than it used to be, not why it exists at all.

Since you don't seem capable of answering that question, I'll take a stab at it.

.


okay i guess that is true my quote does only reference why it was increased not why its here at all.

but i agree with your explanation.

1. yep and if we do disconnect best we have lower timer.

2. in a way yes if it is to see who is playing afk. to then log out them out after certain time sure. so why does it need to be icnreased? when as stated its 5 minutes of afk which is 99% of the game sorted to be done in 5 minutes. if you go past that you are obviously not interacting with the game becayse for the past x amount of time you ava isnt doing anything. and you havent realised so staying logged in further is doing nothing for you

no high horse just found it amusing. but heres a link to 15

https://thebestschools.org/magazine/15-logical-fallacies-know/
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alot to respond to as not been on rs today apologies if i miss anything wasnt intentional. but there is alot. (alot that isnt related to 5 minute timer... but ohwell)

Kopaka said:


okay yes its a matter of preference and ive touched on that with "your game style doesnt mean it deserves the change" what ive been asking for since the start of this thread is why should it have any warrant to change the 5 minute timer.

no i didnt even respond to what jokkul suggested because it gets us no where. the same question still is there. why should the change happen in the first place (yes personal preference / game style. thats why i didnt respond t get into another circular argument) and thats my small response to it now.
protean memories is 288 seconds for the maximum of 60 memories. which is 4.8 minutes (less than 5 minutes.) i dont know why im the one checking this to be sure. you could have easily done yourself but ohwell
priff elves my experience of 200m thiev which i did do priff elves it was 5-6 minutes for all 3 catches (meaining minimum 3 clicks with in 5 minutes) im going to do another 20 minutes run after i finished my mining aura - i could use my alt but i dont have maximum thiev gear on it. and id rather do it with max thiev gear to be most generous

so erm yeah sorry but yeah no. i also did say if it was 70% less than 5 minutes 30% more than 5 minutes id agree with the timer going up. but so far none even the ones you are trying to think of. which you could have tested before posting. which is odd you didnt.

i completely disagree that it should be when your character stops doing what its told to do to then start the timer. with combat in itself the timer is there for that reason. which you did say. even with safe activities i disagree. its when you the owner stop being active to the game.
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Kopaka said:
Also let's talk about this.


yes i doubt you are capable of changing mind because you said you doubt it too...
you know my question was simply literal "are you capable of changing mind" ive touched on this few pages back i suggest go read it again. as it touches on how you knew 100% what i was talking about. and you tried to twist it.

you bring in enjoyment i havent bought up enjoyment at all. as ive asked many times. why do these "reasons" that people have given mean it should happen. so far no explanation has been given as to why these reasons are worthy of it. it should be simple if you have the answer.

the difference is the people who do collect shrimp arent asking for free shrimp. yes theyd be happy yes the people who dont care will be like wtf.
but its simple why would jagex give these people free shrimp? because the burnt shrimp collectors ask for it?
ive said before that is special treatment if the answer is yes. to a certain game style (which ill add a disclaimer to. as for some reason i need to. this does not mean im only thinking of my game style. this does not mean i dont think theres a right or wrong way to play, it means the simple thing of. why should it matter for that specific game style, when other game styles dont get anything)
also one time thing is different to changing a huge aspect to the game which is the timer.

so yes if it was increased to let say 15 minutes how will things change to game play. not alot people can afk more. (which you made a thread on how you detest the afk gameplay (you know a game style)
but the same question still is there that has yet been answered. why does that mean it should happen?
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@jokku
i never said yours was about laziness i said yours was about fictiophilia as i said in previous reply to you. go back pages ctrl+f ( fict as may of made spelling errors) and youll see my responses to your specific argument.
nope you can all have reasons. doesnt make them invalid at all. what it does though is make it not warrant a game change. (because thats special treatment to a very unique game style)
i honestly didnt see that response when you posted it. so apologies i didnt respond. i am doing my best to respond to everything (but as you can see there is alot i do respond to so im bound to miss a few things)
yes she liked watching a waterfall. so what. does that mean the game should change just for her needs? the answer is no. just becase she alone liked whatching a waterfall means nothing to how the game should adapt and change
again you use game style as a valid reason to change something. when its been established it doesnt mean anything on how the game should change. especially if it is a unique way of playing
i gave what the fallacies were. and if you dont know them (like if something was said to me i didnt know about id google it) im not going to have dictionary definition on everything i post. and i did give reasons. the last few times i said about them was just laughing at it.
but can we get to the topic at hand? which is the 5 minute timer
and also the question that is yet to be answered
why does any of this mean the timer should be changed?
theres been a claim (timer to be increased)
how do we solve the "should it be increased" instead of just going yes that will suit me personally so im going to say yes" (which as stated above is ad ignorantiam- if you want the definition too its there too scroll up )
we need justified reasoning. to get it to be justified not just reasoning we need logic. to get to logic we take away personal account (personal game style) as ppersonal opinion blocks it. many threads ive gone yes that be great for me, but no
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ive just written a lot on previous page so go back one page to see it all

Jokku23 said:
Kopaka said:
Also Tenebri it must be fun riding on your high horse talking about "logical fallacies" but if you aren't going to link to Wikipedia articles on those fallacies or at the very least use the name of the fallacy you are referring to when accusing, none of us are going to know what it is you are talking about. Don't just assume everyone else has the same knowledge of debate etiquette that you claim to.

I'd also recommend explaining why you think it's some certain fallacy. When people learn about logical fallacies, they often stop thinking and just refer to some fallacy without providing any reasoning.


i know i just touched this before on previous one

but im asking for reasoning which you arent providing. im asking what reasons do you think they should change the timer, based on the anja, not wanting to log back in.

so yes when i see logical fallacies more than a couple of times i usually say something. most of the time i just carry on. but when its repeated. okay but fallacies explain what it is in itself.

like saying oh thats a shelf i dont need someone to explain what a shelf is. if i dont know what a shelf is. then i can look it up and find out. if i then think no no no thats not a shelf. ill also say hmmm no thats not a shelf. its a table. heres why i think that.

same goes witht hat if you think you arent using a logical fallacy let me know dont take up whole thread aslong as its on topic all good.
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Tenebri said:

Kopaka said:

protean memories is 288 seconds for the maximum of 60 memories. which is 4.8 minutes (less than 5 minutes.) i dont know why im the one checking this to be sure. you could have easily done yourself but ohwell
priff elves my experience of 200m thiev which i did do priff elves it was 5-6 minutes for all 3 catches (meaining minimum 3 clicks with in 5 minutes)


so erm yeah sorry but yeah no. i also did say if it was 70% less than 5 minutes 30% more than 5 minutes id agree with the timer going up. but so far none even the ones you are trying to think of. which you could have tested before posting. which is odd you didnt.


with master camouflage outfit (also full ibis, and full trah exosekeleton)
greater fiver finger discount
ardy cloak 4
abyssal lurker (using the scroll once, as obviously more than once defeats the object of 5 minutes) increases my thiev level
feather fingered neck
crystal mask spell (lasts 5 minutes)
light form prayer
the only thing to increase my chance of success is better fiver finger discount. so sorry i dont have it
thieving iowerths. (level 91) so highest success rate as rest are higher thiev required. idk if that effects it but im doing the 91 anyway
the reason why i am testing again as master camo i didnt have when doing 200m, the necklace wasnt released then i didnt use abyssal lurker 100% (even though using it properly you need to use morethan once with in the 5 minutes) soi wanted to be 100% sure what is possible. i dont even know if all these items actually effect prif thieving
the first time i was caught the cystal mask buff had 26 seconds left on counter. so it was 4 minutes 34 seconds.
try it yourself too once isnt always enough
but there we go. less than 5 minutes...
2 last catches less than 10 seconds each. so all 3 catches all in all for the lowest level elf was less than 5 minutes max gear
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CuddleBucket said:
You can go over 7 minutes at Prifpocket.


not according to my 200m xp and my test with max gear wasnt even close to 7 minutes

all i can find is 5 minutes. in guides and videos etc. no where have i seen 7 minutes

i was maybe expecting to go over 5 minutes less than 6 with full gear.

but yeah id like to see the method / outfit for 7 minutes so if you know id like to try it
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Tenebri said:
CuddleBucket said:
You can go over 7 minutes at Prifpocket.




but yeah id like to see the method / outfit for 7 minutes so if you know id like to try it


How are you unable to answer anything


I said i want to try it


So how did i say you were asking a question. Im asking you a question. So i can try it becausenyouve said its 7 minutes. Even though ive never gobe close to 7minutes . And from allnguides etc they say 5 minutes
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Jokku23 said:
So you are accepting that this doesn't harm anyone and there are people who benefit from this? Great :)

indeed same with everyone recieving 2b for no reason. everyone will benefit. and there is no harm done. so seems theres more reasoning for everyone recieivng 2b because "everyone" will benefit not just some.
how does that mean it should it actually happen though.
you are still avoiding the question ive asked many times.
Jokku23 said:
Kopaka said:

Ancestral energies is more than 5 minutes
Edit: Took 7:12 to harvest!

ive already said arc activities. i was the first one to mention there are activities out there over 5 minutes.
Tenebri said:

as theres no problem with the 5 minute timer. it works as intended. you can do 99% of all afk activities in 5 minutes. t
he closest ones being arc (most things deplete on 5 minute marker)
and artisian workshop which is longer than 5 minutes. i cant think of anything else.

the ones she posted been tested and are less than 5anyway

but what i am wondering is how is that reason enough to increase the log out timer
the same question that still yet to be answered

why does any of this mean the timer should be increased?
even if you doing art workshop, or cutting gems, if you arent engaging enough you will be kicked off no matter. its just with art workshop youd still get xp, just wth gems 4 minutes of nothing.

its all "it would benefit me" so what... it would benefit me also. im doing 200m mining in the arc... but i still dont think it should be implemented. because thers no logical reasoning for it. which ive written so much about now.

because this isnt what things are more than 5 minutes of afk... (which we have found out is that 99% is less than 5 minutes, this is your strongest argument for it which has been shown to not be true)
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CuddleBucket said:
What question is he avoiding?

can you answer the ones i asked you?


Tenebri said:
Tenebri said:
CuddleBucket said:
You can go over 7 minutes at Prifpocket.




but yeah id like to see the method / outfit for 7 minutes so if you know id like to try it


How are you unable to answer anything


I said i want to try it


So how did i say you were asking a question. Im asking you a question. So i can try it because youve said its 7 minutes. Even though ive never seen close to 7minutes . And from all guides etc they say 5 minutes


the question ill ask again anyway

what set up is it for 7 minutes so i can try it?

youve said its 7 minutes. i asked what set up.

your response was you arent asking a question? which makes no sense...
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CuddleBucket said:
What question is he avoiding?


but to answer your question

Tenebri said:
what ive been asking for since the start of this thread is why should it have any warrant to change the 5 minute timer.

Tenebri said:

and also the question that is yet to be answered
why does any of this mean the timer should be changed?

Tenebri said:


but im asking for reasoning which you arent providing. im asking what reasons do you think they should change the timer, based on the anja, not wanting to log back in.
.


Tenebri said:


why does any of this mean the timer should be increased?


i only went back 2 pages i cba to go get more i hope this is enough.

Inb4 (lol old meme) we have given reasons i dont want to log back in, i want to look at anja, theres so much stuff thats over 5 minutes of afk game player (which we've established there isnt) (thats not what im asking though)
but even if there was, how does it mean it should be changed because of these things.
like its been pointed out before. these are just personal opinions. which we know are not use as evidence. same way me saying "i saw a ghost" isnt proof of a ghost.
im trying to ask in different ways. but its always ignored.


literally the way to change my mind is to answer this. not talk about afk etc answer that questionim literally trying to give you it
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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:

Do you seriously think giving everyone 2b would not harm anyone? :D


its a bad analogy but im sure you get what im getting at. just because people benefit

why should it happen?

seriously are you doing this on purpose?

Tenebri said:
what ive been asking for since the start of this thread is why should it have any warrant to change the 5 minute timer.

Tenebri said:

and also the question that is yet to be answered
why does any of this mean the timer should be changed?

Tenebri said:


but im asking for reasoning which you arent providing. im asking what reasons do you think they should change the timer, based on the anja, not wanting to log back in.
.


Tenebri said:


why does any of this mean the timer should be increased?


i only went back 2 pages i cba to go get more i hope this is enough.
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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
its a bad analogy but im sure you get what im getting at. just because people benefit

why should it happen?

seriously are you doing this on purpose?

Let me ask again: do you think giving everyone 2b would not harm anyone?

Tenebri said:
and also the question that is yet to be answered
why does any of this mean the timer should be changed?

It improves the gaming experience for those who benefit from it. Why not? :)

]


like i said its a bad analogy oyou are taking an analogy too literal and not concentrating on the topic...


that doesnt answer why it should happen. thats again just repeating oneself

(which you provided with your own quote at end)

ill again repeat

just because it benefits people. why should that mean it happens?
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Kopaka said:


@Tenebri
While you and I didn't see eye to eye on much, I respect the fact that you strive to keep to principles and keep emotions out of your rhetoric. That being said I do think you have some room to grow too in terms of recognizing when a form of debate just isn't useful. For the most part you seem a decent person and well able to keep things intellectual.
.


i appreciate your kind words. honestly me too i think this thread wont go anywhere. but i have weird ocd and have to respond to someone if they have directed something at me. it takes a lot to not reply when directed at me (if i see it obviously) that is my downfall hahaha

that being said im responding to previous comments

honestly what you did just say then i have 100% respect for. theres no hard feelings from me at all to you. i hope that shows as i do "quote and agree" to your posts when i do agree. as thats what i look for its the argument not the person.
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CuddleBucket said:
Using the best thief stuff, including aura.
How much prifpocket have you done?


exactly what i just did then. (bar aura as i was 1 or 2 tiers off. but the exta few % doesnt = 2 minutes worth)

prif thieving ive done around 170m xp altogether

i was roughly 20m thiev xp when prif came out i did it 90% of it on priff pickpocketing rarely doing dwarf traders.

and i also did 99+ on my alt (starting at 89 with abyssal lurker) so id say altogether roughly 170m xp of prif thieving.

but as ive stated even if it was 15 minutes does that mean should timer be increased?
if you arent paying attention when its afk or not afk either way you are going to log out. jagex have said in there mining smith rework they want to reward activity training over afk training. and increasing it so you can afk longer doesnt go with that.
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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
like i said its a bad analogy oyou are taking an analogy too literal and not concentrating on the topic...

But you're the one who brought this into the thread. Do you really think giving everyone 2b would not harm anyone? If not, why you said so? (No need to repeat "it's a bad analogy", I know)

Tenebri said:
that doesnt answer why it should happen. thats again just repeating oneself

(which you provided with your own quote at end)

ill again repeat

just because it benefits people. why should that mean it happens?

I'm not saying it happens :o

Jagex are looking for ideas that improve the gaming experience. If it makes the game better, then there is a reason to change it. I'm not saying it happens. Here's what I said again:

Jokku23 said:
So you are accepting that this doesn't harm anyone and there are people who benefit from this? Great :)

Now we just need enough support and then there is a reason to change it. Perhaps they could poll this in a ninja survey? :)


Sorry, I know I'm repeating myself but you're making me have to.


you are aware what analogies do right? its literally to get a point across. its not making another statement. my point was. bringing in 2b to every player will benefit players. so should jagex do this also with the timer?
you are again fixating on the analogy as a literal statement not an example.

yes jagex are. and its fantastic we can discuss them. they would also like reasoning behind these ideas.

they could indead poll it.

yeah i dont know why you keep quoting yourself. its a really bad argument each time you bring it up i give as to why its not (see above) ill retort. yes it can benefit people. but so giving 2b to people (even a bad analogy breaks it your quote you hold so dear)
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Jokku23 said:
Here's what I would suggest:

Those who think this would be useful should support.
Those who would be affected negatively should point out their concerns.


Jagex will not do it if the amount of support is not enough considering the dev time needed, so posting "this is not needed because it only helps unique playstyle etc." is not necessary.

Maybe they could have a vote in ninja survey? To get opinions from other people than us 4 :)


those who agree should also point out why its a good idea

i dont want to use the "cant prove a negative" as technically you can. you can prove there isnt something in the woods. (which is a negative of not being something)

but to disprove something. it has to be proven first

its the same as going
x:unicorns are real
y:i disagree with you
X: oh yeah prove they dont exist
y: i cant prove they dont exist
x:exactly so they do exist
(you cant prove they dont exist)

what you need is proof they do exist. and until there is some i wont believe unicorns are real. same with bigfoot etc

(im sure you dont believe in unicorns.) maybe you should with this attitude to finding the truth in things

and same here till its proven this is a good update to happen. i wont be behind it


thats a very bias thing to say and flawed in many ways.

this is mainly used in philosophical ways. (religion etc) but im not going to support something when i dont see the need.
the same as dont fix something thats not broken.
prove its broken. then we can start working on how to fix it.

i know im repeating myself but just different way of saying it

burden of proof. who has the burden of proof? the person who has made the claim (or supporter of it) in this instance its the supported of this "claim being timer should be increased)

if timer was updated and there was one saying reduce it. it be on the person saying reduce it.
as i wouldnt support reducing it either...

hope that makes sense
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indeed same with everyone recieving 2b for no reason. everyone will benefit. and there is no harm done. so seems theres more reasoning for everyone recieivng 2b because "everyone" will benefit not just some.
how does that mean it should it actually happen though.
you are still avoiding the question ive asked many times.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psPJOXDYl_c

lmao
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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
you are aware what analogies do right? its literally to get a point across. its not making another statement. my point was. bringing in 2b to every player will benefit players.
)



my god

no im not using a broken analogy to disprove a point i explained what the analogy was for. (to explain my point not to disprove yours) which is why your fixation on it and asking me if would harm anyone. like ive said thats not the point of the analogy. i cant believe you are still fixating on it.

and im done. youve proven you either chose to ignore my points and try to divert the conversation else where. when ive said many times now what the analogy was for. wasnt disprove you. it was to explain what i was meaning in a different way (you even quoted it) it was the first thing i said. theres no way this can go anywhere if you are concentrating on an analogy because thats not what the argument is over.... i said its a bad analogy cause it would ruin the economy. but people would benefit anyway (i could change it to 100k - 1m) if youd like the explanation is provides is there. everyone recieved 100k -1m everyone would benefit. so should this now happen in game? i used the extreme of 2b you are now rubbing out to that. diverting the converation. so unless you bring it on topic. the timer. im not wasitng more time on you.

so obviously no support to changing timer. as no one can give an actual reason to increase it.
they talk about other things thinking it holds validity
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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
no im not using a broken analogy to disprove a point i explained what the analogy was for. (to explain my point not to disprove yours) which is why your fixation on it and asking me if would harm anyone. like ive said thats not the point of the analogy. i cant believe you are still fixating on it.

Hmm you said your "analogy" breaks my point?

Tenebri said:
yeah i des is there. everyone recieved 100k -1m everyone would benefit. so should this now happen in game? i used the extreme of 2b you are now rubbing out to that. diverting the converation. so unless you bring it on topic. the timer. im not wasitng more time on you.

If you are making a broken analogy to back up your points, don't be surprised if people comment on it. Like I said, if it didn't harm anyone and would improve the gaming experience, then there would be a reason for doing it. But comparing this with giving everyone free 2b is silly and doesn't "get the point across".


no its an analogy to explain my point (or my statement) the statement still stands. and instead of concentrating on the statement keeping on topic. you go to the analogy. i used cake and sand previously as an analogy. not even rs related to explain my point

and ive admitted its a bad analogy. but the point is still there whether its a bad one or an amazing one. youve decided to fixate on an analogy not the topic.

even if you could break down the bad analogy to be absolute worthless. the point still stands why should this happen if it benefits x amount of people?
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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
even if you could break down the bad analogy to be absolute worthless.

Let's continue from here then since it is totally worthless. But let me know if you still want to discuss the analogy.

Tenebri said:
the point still stands why should this happen if it benefits x amount of people?

"Benefits" as in "improves the gaming experience". Before you say "just because it improves their gaming experience doesn't mean it should happen", I guess it's a matter of opinion whether something should happen, but this kind of improvements are done to the game all the time. And it doesn't even harm anyone. :)


Ohh posted almost same time almost missed your post.

As said theres point speaking about an analogy. You should be speaking about what the analogy is explaining. The statement still stands. Especially when the owner has said its a bad analogy. Bringing it up is pointless. As its off topic and has been said you can ignore not it becayse it is bad. But the statement still stands


Yes it cam benefit players so what lots can benefit players. But should they all happen?
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thats why i said you can ignore it. because its bad. but the statement still stands. which ive said many times. i didnt need to even put the analogy

again you are defelcting. you arent answering and as i said earlier if you cant stay on topic theres no point. i ask whats needed. you go off on a tangent on something unrelated. (giving 2b to people ironic with osrs) now asking for me for about other updates... thats not helping the discussion of should the timer be increased. which is something you should be keeping on topic to get the reason across. i asked why does something that benefits players be introduced. and you ask for me ideas? reason is. you cant answer because you know just because people will benefit doesnt mean it should happen.

people would benefit if they are given 100k xp per day just for logging in.
people would benefit if they are given 100k gp worth of supplies (can be anything from mage logs to food)
people would benefit from from an increased timer.
people would benefit from easier slayer points
people would benefit from every accessory on toolbelt
people would benefit from a familiar that has benefits of all familiars in one
a new city with 600k afk agililty xp course
im running out of space.

why on earth would i make a thread about them? and what will we see if i was to make a thread about them?

Kopaka said:

@Jokku
Your position on this topic has seemed lighthearted from the start and I stuck up for your right to choose how you play the game. I will challenge you though, I do think that Tenebri made some good counter
arguments to you that you weren't always able to answer.
That goes for all of us though.
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its just constant
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13-Jul-2018 19:17:20 - Last edited on 13-Jul-2018 19:23:50 by Tenebri

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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
reason is. you cant answer because you know just because people will benefit doesnt mean it should happen.


Jokku23 said:
"Benefits" as in "improves the gaming experience". Before you say "just because it improves their gaming experience doesn't mean it should happen", I guess it's a matter of opinion whether something should happen, but this kind of improvements are done to the game all the time. And it doesn't even harm anyone. :)


­facepalm*

its like speaking to a brick wall. you literally answered why its not a good reason to do it. and you keep quoting it. as if it holds any validity. especially when you show how its not good enough. and who are you to say it doesnt harm anyone. have you asked every active player?
people could use smaller timer to keep them selves getting more xp ph. if it was increased theyd loose that for me especially when i did less afk 200ms it would have stopped me going on forums etc. id focus more on the game. so to say it wont harm anyone is very odd. and ignorant.

so again youve proven nothing.
least you are on topic though nice job

and no these types of updates are not done all the time. this was done 13th january 2009. almost 10 years ago
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13-Jul-2018 19:31:25 - Last edited on 13-Jul-2018 19:38:12 by Tenebri

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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
people would benefit if they are given 100k xp per day just for logging in.
people would benefit if they are given 100k gp worth of supplies (can be anything from mage logs to food)
people would benefit from from an increased timer.
people would benefit from easier slayer points
people would benefit from every accessory on toolbelt
people would benefit from a familiar that has benefits of all familiars in one
a new city with 600k afk agililty xp course
im running out of space.

why on earth would i make a thread about them? and what will we see if i was to make a thread about them?

I'll think about these when I have time, but if they improve gaming experience without harming anyone, and people want them, we have a reason for adding them. :)


no we dont
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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
reason is. you cant answer because you know just because people will benefit doesnt mean it should happen.


Jokku23 said:
"Benefits" as in "improves the gaming experience". Before you say "just because it improves their gaming experience doesn't mean it should happen", I guess it's a matter of opinion whether something should happen, but this kind of improvements are done to the game all the time. And it doesn't even harm anyone. :)


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Lol ok :D


i explained why good job on not actually replying to it.
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fair enough if i was in process of editing.

"literally answered" - yes you said just because it improves gaming experience doesnt mean it should happen. which is true

yes they could improve gaming experience im not here to discuss that am i? you asked for some ideas i brainstormed a little. and now apparently i should make a thread to see if they are worthy of an update. no it will show if people support them or disagree. and im not wishing to discuss them so again theres point making thread. you asked for "oh give me ideas" so i did.... as for one i dont agree with them. that was my point of the statement before....
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14-Jul-2018 08:15:49 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2018 08:17:25 by Tenebri

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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:

people could use smaller timer to keep them selves getting more xp ph. if it was increased theyd loose that for me especially when i did less afk 200ms it would have stopped me going on forums etc. id focus more on the game. so to say it wont harm anyone is very odd. and ignorant.

This is a direction where I would have wanted the discussion to go a lot sooner. Yes, it's important to know if the update would affect people negatively.
So, the solution is to let us choose the timer length in game settings :)


i did mention this pages ago i will find it edit the quote in. but it got no responses when i mentioned it.

oh it was becuase it was the one that was removed for being innapropriate, as i discussed what you were doing to kill the mood when looking anja. (fictiophilla) as i thought it was on topic considering that was your reasoning to want it to be increased. but someone reported it. as i thnik i did use the word masturbation with in it.

but nonetheless i did mention this when speaking to kopaka,
conspiracy... it had good content in that post. was removed... i wonder why... lol wonder if we can get it reversed? just edit the bit out that was deemed inappropriate. even thought was discussing your "interaction" with the game

Rooh said:
Inappropriate post removed.


no the "solution" is not that. we could just keep it at 5 minutes.... it harms no one.

yes there are qol updates. changing a huge aspect of the game is changing a huge aspect of the game. not being able to one click the game out of the maze to tree patch. instead of right clicking him. (love that update) they a very different things. this has nothing to do with qol when playing. as its been discussed its qol when not interacting with the game.
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14-Jul-2018 08:21:13 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2018 08:33:09 by Tenebri

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you offered no response to it. it was just "opinion" thats no response. opinions are useless. they're like ass holes great to have them. but full of...


i was asking you if everything that has a benefit should it happen? i wasnt asking about those specific things. those specific things came after that. (because you asked a few times) and i originally didnt answer because i knew it was to divert the topic away from the actual topic of this thread... why i didnt respond to it asap.


same with other benefiting updates.... that havent happened. because guess what they shouldnt happen.....



how is that funny? the 5 minute timer is a huge aspect of the game. no matter what your game style

and i never said it would "only" effect unique game styles. i said yours was a unique game style.


does that making a agility course for 900k xp ph is qol. because it will improve my qol as i can now do agility faster and save gp on shf and time by doing the course?

no it does not. every update would be classed as qol then....

the 5 minute timer is a huge aspect of the game. ive said this many times through out the thread. so your grasping on a contradiction just fails. as they arent related
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14-Jul-2018 08:46:05 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2018 08:48:04 by Tenebri

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CuddleBucket said:
Wow you have too much time lol.

Support for fixing the auto logout timer.


too much time? i wish been working all week


Tenebri said:
CuddleBucket said:
Tenebri said:
CuddleBucket said:
Wow you guys have been busy lol.

Anyway, support for fixing the inactivity timer.


lol fixing
lol


to determine if something needs fixing it needs to be shown its broken.



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@CuddleBucket
You haven't always been the most eloquent arguer, often resorting to the "repeating a few words" strategy, but I did usually agree with the point you were trying to make. I hope you can develop your methods and strategies of debate to provide more substantial points. :)
.


somethings wont change
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14-Jul-2018 10:59:00 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2018 11:18:47 by Tenebri

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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
i was asking you if everything that has a benefit should it happen?

I don't think anyone has claimed "everything that has a benefit should happen". :)



glad we have now cleared that up

so can you now give a reaosn as to why this should happen, (obviously knowing it benefiting players isnt enough to determine if it should or not)

(as for 31 pages its always been, "it will benefit players";) so in a way you have claimed it but not directly.

to clarify my way of thinking as you obviously dont grasp it.

theres 4 3 ways of looking at this

support
not support
undecided
dont carre

im on the undecided till its proven to be done. till then id say it shouldnt happen. which is why i ask for more information. 31 pages so far. no good enough reason for it to happen. just alot of tapdancing

so your argument of saying i dont know why you dont just support it it doesnt effect you negatively is void. it doesnt matter. theres still no good reason to even support it in the first place.
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14-Jul-2018 14:32:21 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2018 15:10:00 by Tenebri

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Draco Burnz said:
Tenebri said:
so can you now give a reaosn as to why this should happen, (obviously knowing it benefiting players isnt enough to determine if it should or not)

to clarify my way of thinking as you obviously dont grasp it.

theres 3 ways of looking at this

support
not support
undecided


Agreed.


edited now. before it gets taken wrong way. (hopefully wont happen even after editing, and we can finally get an answer what we've been asking for 31pages)
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i know no one has said that. i never said you did.... you are using that as your answer to the question of why should it happen..... (how is that hard to understand)

if i ask why should it happen you say because it benefits people.... thats saying it should happen because it benefits people....


so the answer is no there is no real reason to update the 5 minute auto log timer.

thank you for finally admitting it. i can be done with this thread now
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14-Jul-2018 17:42:02 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2018 17:47:29 by Tenebri

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Jokku23 said:

thank you for finally admitting it. i can be done with this thread now
So, it improves the gaming experience and doesn't harm anyone
, but in your opinion it shouldn't happen.
You are entitled to your opinion, but that kind of updates (i.e. updates that by your logic shouldn't happen) are added to the game all the time :)


you havent read anything ive said have you

Tenebri said:
Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:






theres 4 3 ways of looking at this

support
not support
undecided
dont carre

im on the undecided till it proven it should be done
. till then id say it shouldnt happen. which is why i ask for more information. 31 pages so far. no good enough reason for it to happen. just alot of tapdancing



when ive said im not supporting it. its when ive asked the question why. and the answer i get is "benfits players" as thats not an answer

but i am still undecided. and if someone comes along with brilliant reason. then fuck yeah lets change it

but your constant need to say it benefits players as a reason. when youve also said because it benefits players doesnt mean it should. has happened so many times. this is my last response to you. as im tired of going in circles.
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CuddleBucket said:
You don't discuss anything, you just disagree continuously.


so out of all my posts all im saying is "i disagree?"

lmao

but i do agree

Tenebri said:
.

this is most recent one click it to be taken to it

infact most of the threads i do post in. i dont say if im for or against it. i just ask questions (discuss it)

out of curiosity what do you define as a discussion?


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plural noun: discussions
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Draco Burnz said:
Tenebri said:
thats low standards

to get this back on topic

can you list what "points" you are comfortable with that youve made?


Would also like to see this.

Wouldnt hold my breathe though.


CuddleBucket said:
You should be a detective, I'm very impressed.


CuddleBucket said:
You can go over 7 minutes at Prifpocket.


these are my two favourites though. both really on topic. and valid
and priff just is false. but hes comfortable being wrong so its all good. he technically didnt say they are right. hes just comfortable
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16-Jul-2018 12:50:08 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2018 12:51:11 by Tenebri

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CuddleBucket said:
You're looking a bit silly now :(
You can go over 7 minutes prifpocketing.
Not sure why you can't get over that one.

Back on topic, the logout timer does need some fixing.


you really cant.

like ive said many it needs to be shown it needs fixing so far out of all these pages. theres nothing wrong with it.
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16-Jul-2018 18:58:29

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Kopaka said:
CuddleBucket said:
@ Tenebri, because at least he does other than one word posts:

It has been shown, you just disagree.
You come across as hostile & aggressive when you mistake your opinion for fact, & you don't allow genuine discussion when you dismiss anyone who has a different point of view than you.


So I'm going to do a bit of devil's advocate here.

First of all, Prifpocketing in my experience actually doesn't go past five minutes, ever. If you are going to make a claim about it lasting seven then you're going to have to take a video of yourself doing it or something. If we are only talking like a 1/500 chance of it happening, then that isn't important enough to need a change on that basis alone.

Secondly, let's talk about the timer's purpose some more. We don't have any Jagex Official statement on what the timer's purpose is, but as far as any of us can tell, it sure seems like it's to prevent players from "taking advantage" of afk-able activities. If it's in Jagex purpose to prevent players from afking, then it's going to take a more persuasive argument to change their minds than "but I wanna afk!".

Finally the one point that is brought up so often, what's the big deal about just clicking the screen or adjusting the camera every now and then? It really isn't that hard.


Thank you. Well said

@cuddlebucket
No its not a case of i disagree. Its a case of you just want to afk more. So no its not broken.
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17-Jul-2018 12:28:41

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CuddleBucket said:
That's not devils advocate.
I'm not here to convince people how long you can prifpocket for.
Going longer than the logout timer is not uncommon at all.
If it was other people asking I might care lol, but not them.

My chat is always on when I'm in game if you have any questions.

So just to confirm.
You can pickpocket longer than 7 minutes.
That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
I'm unconcerned with their disbelief, they can do their own research.

If we could stay focused on the topic, the auto logout timer no longer achieves its intended function, & I look forward to it being fixed :)



Just to confirm
You cant pickpocket longer than 5 minutes.
Not an opinion its a fact.

Yes ive done my research over 170m thiev xp worth of it(you did ask but ignored response). Yes its valid to topic as it was bought up to show we need longer than 5 minute log out.

Nope 5 minute timer does exactly as it should

Look forward to it? Like its actually happening..

Can you clarify how it doesnt achieve its intended purpose?
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18-Jul-2018 09:46:26 - Last edited on 18-Jul-2018 14:26:22 by Tenebri

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CuddleBucket said:


I'm not sure you got the next bit right.
If you don't have the facts, it doesn't meant they don't exist.

3rd bit just needs a little thought, common sense will get you there.


If you dont have the evidence you cant claim it as a fact.


So you dont know either.. instead of saying with common sense youll get there. Actually say what you think it is. Does nothing to provide anything useful to this discussion just saying with common sense youll get there. You said this before when asked. It just seems you dont know but wish to claim to know. So actually answer question to help the discussion. Lets say no one has your imense common sense. Youll have to let us know oh great one. Please help......

But im guessing no answer will come.
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CuddleBucket said:
Tenebri said:
Tenebri said:

But im guessing no answer will come.


It seems i can predict future
I'm just not playing your silly games.


my silly games? im asking something about the topic which you are not answering. if you want to be a value to this discussion which you have stated that the people who disagree arent and we should make our own threads saying not to do it one has now been locked because it should be discussed on the thread.... so thanks for encouraging rule break. but to get back to it.

you say we should use common sense im wanting an answer to what you think the reasoning is behind the 5 minute log out. youve been asked many times now by more than 1 person. and you have the audacity to just say "use common sense". how does that in anyway shape or form help the discussion. if you cant be a value to it then dont post. as its just spam.

i originally posted i want an answer to this and i said but i guess it wont happen. and guess what no answer.

either you are playing silly games. when you act mature around forums "look at me mod shauny" when really you add nothing to any argument.

ive spent a lot of time and effort and thought into what i type. and to only get "use common sense" when i ask for only answer. is just rude. you say you have the answer and i highly doubt you do with the amount of dancing you do. you cant accuse me of playing games. when everything i type here is paragraphs usually going past the character limit.

if you cant answer it just say you dont know. theres nothing wrong with saying you dont know. its what i say about most suggestions. and its why i asked questions. (even though most people think im against them because i dont just play sheep and say support) no i wont a discussion and thought. which you lack
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Kopaka said:



Honestly though, you are playing the same game as Draco plays. You repeat the same talking point without explanation or evidence or even a different perspective. You think that by saying the same thing enough times, eventually, the other side will concede ground.

I can assure you, these two are very stubborn and will not concede
. I also feel a bit upset that you think you are making an argument by saying if we use our common sense we will come to the conclusion that you are right. You are clearly implying that to hold any contrary opinion goes against common sense, which I never believed and find abhorrent as a form of argument. Obviously
Tenebri is using a great deal of sense when forming his arguments.
Whether or not I agree with his conclusions I would hope I never accuse him of not thinking before writing, which is essentially what you are doing.

If it's so sensible a conclusion then I agree with Tenebri. Tell us what it is and we will decide if you are correct it is so sensible.


And while I'm at it, let me just quote myself:

Kopaka said:
Your quote answers why it's longer than it used to be, not why it exists at all.

Since you don't seem capable of answering that question, I'll take a stab at it.

The Inactivity Timer exists so that a person who is disconnected from the game due to an internet cutout or some other connectivity issue, even the computer shutting down, game crash, etc. will not stay logged in indefinitely due to the player never using the logout feature.

It also has come to be used as a method to counteract people who want to play the game "afk", not interacting with the client often enough.


very well written
100% correct

aww thanks :L

thats all im asking for
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CuddleBucket said:
Yep I understand that's your opinion Kopaka, I respect that.

I have also made my opinion clear, & look forward to the same respect.


Are you going to answer the question me and kopaka are asking? The reason for the 5 minute log out? Or are you just going to say use common sense for the however many time. Instead of actually heloing the discussion?

You can literally say no you arent going to answer it. I dony want to waste my time cobstantly asking..


But me and kopaka both asked in our most recent response to you. And all you said is you want respect... dont we all... not implying we uave no common sense isnt going to help you with getting that respect just fyi...

You didnt even respond to anything me and kopaka said then.... literally nothing just acknowledge opinion which again doesnt help with what we are asking or this topic. So are you going to be apart of it?
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21-Jul-2018 12:56:23 - Last edited on 21-Jul-2018 13:11:50 by Tenebri

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Kopaka said:
To attempt to summarize CuddleBucket's points for those of us who have been in the mire of this thread for too long to remember each individual's contributions:

CuddleBucket said:
Sometimes you're afk or just standing around, & people may have technical or other reasons why they don't want to lobby.
I think extending it to 10 minutes wouldn't hurt.


CuddleBucket said:
Maybe it's about being a drain on Jagex's resources, having someone in game if they aren't doing anything?
There may well be technical reasons like that, but as far as gameplay goes, extending the inactivity timer doesn't effect anything does it?


CuddleBucket said:
However there is reason to change with the times, people are more afk these days, extending the timer to 10 minutes wouldn't cause any harm, & it would prevent people from constantly logging out from activities such as prifpocket or trah hour or whatever when they are still at their keyboard.


CuddleBucket said:
What was the purpose of it?
Was it to reduce server load when people were inactive?

If so, then it's broken if it's logging people out who aren't inactive.

Maybe the timer should start when someone stops performing an action?


Feel free to add to this but I figure that pretty well covers your position on the topic, yes?


He has said he supports this more than anyone iirc so im not syre why you are stating what hisnposition is on the topic we already know.

That doesnt answer what weve asked though. What is thr 5 minute timer for. Thats what me and you have asked him. His response was use common sense.. if he doesnt want to answer fine. But it would be helpful as he thinks we are wrong or dont know (i dont think he knows but wants to claim he does) if he can shine light on this then great. But he is on purpose not helping the discussion.
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Kopaka said:


@Tenebri
From the quotes I listed, I believe his perspective about why it exists
is so that Jagex's resources aren't being unnecessarily drained by inactive players,
which he goes on to argue that players aren't necessarily inactive when their character is still performing an action, they could still be at the keyboard just waiting until more input is required.



then surely it should be decreased not increased....as theres no way to determine if someone cooking a curry or just watching the screen. either way if they are just watching the screen then they are inactive. like now im typing on forums not on my account. id classify this as not being active

either way no point going into that as it may not even be his standpoint on the matter.

with him saying we can prif pocket for 7 minutes (obviously not true) i do see it would be. but its very flawed

guess we will find out maybe. if he responds. seems when he does he just writes something unrelated to what weve been talking about.


the main thing being getting clarification and further explanation like you also stated.
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CuddleBucket said:
Kopaka it's just that I'm doing other stuff & don't want to spend heaps of time here.
Maybe I'll get to a better summation in August :P


so you bump however many threads that are actually still with in discussion...

guess ill never get this answer :( especially as you refer to kopaka and dont even try to respond to me guess someone is playing 5 year old and ignoring

didnt think it would take long to say what the 5 minute timer is. especially as you make everything short and sweet
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Elemental619 said:
All this is covered in the first 10 pages...


the reason for the 5 minute timer is the question so no its not. as cuddlebucket claims to know this 100% with his immense common sense.

knowing the reaosning behind the 5 minute timer we can establish whether it should be increased or not with way game play is now.

but he just keeps saying "use common sense" or not even trying to answer

we have had kopaka attempt it. and i also posted why the timer was originally increased. but i dont think cuddlebucket thinks either are the reason for the timer. itself

so ive read the first 10 pages. and i havent seen anything on as to what the 5minute timer is actually for. for all us its speculation. the only thing i can find is the update to increase to 5 minutes.

but we need cuddlebuckets super power
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Elemental619 said:
Why not answer then question for us. What is the 5 minute logout for? Why was it changed from 90 secs to 5 mins? Only Jagex knows right? So why ask players who play the game for the answer?


The update came out 10 years ago and weather Jagex tells us why it was increased or not, we can all assume how the logout mechanic works? Without that, theres really no discussion.


i quoted jagex saying what the change was. thats what i was going by

cuddlebucket said i was wrong

i asked cuddlebucket for the real reason. (which he claims to know [using common sense]) he has still yet to give it. all he does is divert from the question. (see above)

thats the conundrum.



Tenebri said:
CuddleBucket said:
What is the purpose of the timer?
Once you get there, you'll realize it doesn't work as intended anymore.


so instead of answering question you ask one.

but ill carry it on.


Original message details are unavailable.
Firstly, the logout timer has been increased from ninety seconds to five minutes. This means that you will not be automatically logged out before this amount of time has passed
– particularly useful when you want to check the forums or the Game Guide while training combat or chopping down trees.
The only exception to this is if you lose connection; if this happens, you will be automatically logged out after 30 seconds as usual (or after 60 seconds if you lose connection during combat). Make sure you stay on the watch for random events, and for other players who want to talk to you.


so again i retort

how is it broken?
13th january 2009 update is source

^ see i already have
he says thats for the update. not real reason for timer. kopaka has tried to answer. and still all he says is "use common sense youll get there"

he is no help to discussion. just trolling now. so we have tried to do what you say answer our selves. but he still says no
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23-Jul-2018 13:00:24 - Last edited on 23-Jul-2018 13:09:20 by Tenebri

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CuddleBucket said:
You literally just did what you're criticisng me for, stop whining.
If you're done with the thread, move on with your life.


im just waiting on the answer you have been asked many times.

each tme i see you respond im like oooohhhh maybe this will be it!!! but no usually just nothing :(


Tenebri said:



Are you going to answer the question me and kopaka are asking? The reason for the 5 minute log out?


ifnot ill just assume no you dont know anything about it. and the point still stands that this shouldnt be increased and should stay 5 minutes
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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
Jokku23 said:
So, it improves the gaming experience and doesn't harm anyone
, but in your opinion it shouldn't happen.
You are entitled to your opinion, but that kind of updates (i.e. updates that by your logic shouldn't happen) are added to the game all the time :)


you havent read anything ive said have you

So you said I haven't read anything and even highlighted a part of your post to show that:

Tenebri said:
Tenebri said:
im on the undecided till it proven it should be done
. till then id say it shouldnt happen. which is why i ask for more information. 31 pages so far. no good enough reason for it to happen. just alot of tapdancing


But what you didn't notice is that in the very next sentence to the one you highlighted, it says you'd say it shouldn't happen. So first question: how does this mean I haven't read anything you said?


that is correct. so the question is you writing it now i didnt miss it? even though wont get closer to should this happen or not ill answer.

rather simple. if i dont agree with either notion the intellectually honest thing to do is nothing... so no change. i have said many times "no change"

if i dont agree with either doing a change makes no sense... no change does. which is why most people think im against something. when infact im just not agreeing with the arguments for it.

(check my sig this could have been nicer to answer in pm as it doesnt help the topic and support pm system)
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Jokku23 said:


Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:


Tenebri said:

First you say this is not needed because it's not even useful in any way and we can just avoid logging out by clicking once every 4 min 59 secs. Then you say it's changing a huge aspect of the game and compare it to 900k xp/h agi course. When asked how is it a huge aspect of a game, no comment from you. One could even argue that skipping the maze is a much bigger thing because it would take a long time of playing to get as much benefit in terms of clicks/time saved with the logout timer change. But skipping the maze is fine because it's qol. And somehow the logout timer is changing a huge aspect of the game :D

Explain?

i did leave a comment on this i remember responding because i laughed. but instead of quoting it ill just say it again be easier.

log out timer is a huge aspect of the game.... just it on its own is a huge thing of the game. is it a simple concept yes. but changing it to 1 minute or 10 minutes. changes the game dramatically (more so if it was 1 minute) thats what im talking about with it being a huge aspect of the game

what maze? i would answer more but there are many mazes in game and you just said maze... so what maze are you refering to? i think the gnome dude. the change wasnt not doing the maze. it was changing from right click to left click so nothing to do with the maze at all. just that dude is used for skipping it. before the qol update and after. no change to the maze. just how to skip it already. by 1 click instead of 2... so a very small change nothing to do with the maze. unless you are talking about another maze.
you miss undrestood what that qol update was about. it was how you interact with the gnome not with the maze itself... so yes thats a small change to one npc as you could skip maze before it...
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. oops double

actually ill use this post to touch on last point further...

so yes its not needed

and yes 5 minute timer is a huge aspect of the game. (its how long you need to be inactive to be kicked off (rightfully so thats a huge aspect to the game... how long can i leave computer to cook etc while i get xp haha)

you wrote everything as if that contradicts each other. when it doesnt at all they are 2 separate things.

is it needed no. its not broken with the reason why it changed to 5 minutes, it does exactly as it suppose to.

the way game is played. nothing will go further than 5 minutes of play bar a very small% (less than 1. and when it does go past 5 minutes its not very long at all. i think max was 6 minutes of afk time while gaining xp)

so increasing it to more than 5 minutes does nothing at all. how can it?

if im doing x that maximum amount of xp i can get is during 3 minutes before it depletes. and im afk for 10 minutes (lets say im cooking)

if the timer was 5 minutes my xp gain will be the 3 minutes

if the timer was 9 minutes my xp gain will be the 3 minutes.

so changing a huge aspect of the game (the timer itself) to effect literally nothing. has no benefit and there is no reason to do so.


yes theres no real negative to do it. but why do it in the first place... if nothing changes

so cuddlebucket. can you explain how you think the timer is broken? and what the reason for the timer is yet?
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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
that is correct. so the question is you writing it now i didnt miss it? even though wont get closer to should this happen or not ill answer.

rather simple. if i dont agree with either notion the intellectually honest thing to do is nothing... so no change. i have said many times "no change"

if i dont agree with either doing a change makes no sense... no change does. which is why most people think im against something. when infact im just not agreeing with the arguments for it.

(check my sig this could have been nicer to answer in pm as it doesnt help the topic and support pm system)

Let me rephrase the question again since your answer has nothing to do with it: how does the part you highlighted in brown mean I haven't read anything you said? That was a very disrespectful thing to say.



you didnt ask that. again this has nothing to do with the thread.
i said that because it was already answered the in pages before. if you read what i said youd have your answer.... thats why i said it because i said my opinion on the matter.

eg if you read what i said before. you wouldnt of needed to say what you did. as youd have your answer

thats why i said. read what i said... happy?
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Jokku23 said:

Let me rephrase the question again since your answer has nothing to do with it: how does the part you highlighted in brown mean I haven't read anything you said? That was a very disrespectful thing to say.
Tenebri said:
log out timer is a huge aspect of the game.... just it on its own is a huge thing of the game. is it a simple concept yes. but changing it to 1 minute or 10 minutes. changes the game dramatically (more so if it was 1 minute) thats what im talking about with it being a huge aspect of the game

So you are just saying it's a huge aspect/thing of the game when asked why it's a huge aspect of the game. That's not a great answer. I understand the maze part now, thanks for explaining that at least.
Let's assume they change it for 10 minutes. That saves people just one click or camera adjustment per 5 minutes. How is it changing a huge aspect of the game?

Tenebri said:
and yes 5 minute timer is a huge aspect of the game. (its how long you need to be inactive to be kicked off (rightfully so thats a huge aspect to the game... how long can i leave computer to cook etc while i get xp haha)

You can already cook while playing as long as you click once per 5 minutes. Sounds more like a QoL update than changing a huge aspect of the game.


i answered this. i started with yes its a huge aspect of the game. then explained why. read the rest of it.
ill add small amount now. it effects every aspect of the game = huge aspect of the game.... simple enough to put it for you to understand?

yes thats what i was saying you can cook aslong a its once per 5 minutes.. so its not needed great..

not a qol update at all
changing the gnome to be left click get out of maze = qol
changing the 5 minute timer so you can cook for longer with out interacting. is not a qol change.

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read the gold text

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CuddleBucket said:
It is when activities don't require any input before that time.



Omg you actually answered.
Well thats what you say. And if that is true then there is no need to change timer. 99%of activities are under 5 minutes or close to 5 minutes


So how is it broken ( you are wanting a fix)? Guess answer will come in 2 weeks lol
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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
you didnt ask that.

Yes I did but instead of arguing I'll just repost my question for everyone to see:

Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
Jokku23 said:


you havent read anything ive said have you

So you said I haven't read anything and even highlighted a part of your post to show that:

Tenebri said:
Tenebri said:
im on the undecided till it proven it should be done
. till then id say it shouldnt happen. which is why i ask for more information. 31 pages so far. no good enough reason for it to happen. just alot of tapdancing


But what you didn't notice is that in the very next sentence to the one you highlighted, it says you'd say it shouldn't happen.
So first question: how does this mean I haven't read anything you said?


Tenebri said:
i said that because it was already answered the in pages before. if you read what i said youd have your answer.... thats why i said it because i said my opinion on the matter.

eg if you read what i said before. you wouldnt of needed to say what you did. as youd have your answer

thats why i said. read what i said... happy?

So the quote you highlighted had nothing to do with it?

If you believe I have not read something that I should, it would be helpful if you directed me to those posts instead of quoting things that have nothing to with it / things that I clearly have read already.


i have no idea what you are talking about now to actually respond... im sorry either way it seems you are talking about me responding not the actual topic...
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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
i answered this. i started with yes its a huge aspect of the game. then explained why. read the rest of it.

I just read the gold text again and you didn't explain how it's a huge aspect of the game. Quite the opposite, you say it's affecting a very small part of the game.

Tenebri said:
ill add small amount now. it effects every aspect of the game = huge aspect of the game.... simple enough to put it for you to understand?

Now you are finally answering. So to summarise your logic:

"It's not needed because
it affects only a very small part of the game
."
"But Tenebri, it's just a nice QoL update..."
"Not QoL. It's changing a huge aspect of the game."
"How is it a huge aspect of the game...?"
"
It affects every aspect of the game.
"

Something seems to be wrong :D


yes i said the change you want is effecting a very small part of the game. by changing a huge aspect of the game (something that effects everything with in the game to bossing to skilling, to bank standing)

you are miss representing what i say

the 5 minutes timer (the big aspect of the game)

you want to change for something very small in the game

im not saying changing the 5 timer is small. im saying its huge.
for something so petty. and not even game play.... (afk)
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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
i answered this. i started with yes its a huge aspect of the game. then explained why. read the rest of it.

I just read the gold text again and you didn't explain how it's a huge aspect of the game. Quite the opposite, you say it's affecting a very small part of the game.

Tenebri said:
ill add small amount now. it effects every aspect of the game = huge aspect of the game.... simple enough to put it for you to understand?

Now you are finally answering. So to summarise your logic:

"It's not needed because
it affects only a very small part of the game
."
"But Tenebri, it's just a nice QoL update..."
"Not QoL. It's changing a huge aspect of the game."
"How is it a huge aspect of the game...?"
"
It affects every aspect of the game.
"

Something seems to be wrong :D


yes i said the change you want is effecting a very small part of the game. by changing a huge aspect of the game (something that effects everything with in the game to bossing to skilling, to bank standing)

you are miss representing what i say

the 5 minutes timer (the big aspect of the game)

you want to change for something very small in the game

im not saying changing the 5 timer is small. im saying its huge.
for something so petty. and not even game play.... (afk)

So you are saying that the timer is a huge aspect but the change is very small, right?


no change is big because it effects every aspect of the game

you are wanting it for a small reason....

this is why i dont think you read
i literally just said "im not saying changing the 5 minute timer is small, im saying its huge"
if you read that you didnt need your question....
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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:
no change is big because it effects every aspect of the game

So if it's changed to let's say 10 mins, this change affects every aspect of the game?

Funny:

Tenebri said:
yes i said the change you want is effecting a very small part of the game.


again removing all what i wrote with that takes it out of context.

even in the way youve miss quoted you can see im talking about the change is for something small...

to clarify

5 minute timer is big (effects all aspects of game)
changing it (will effect all aspects of game)
you want it for something so small (small change)

if you can actually construct an argument for the change then great. instead of trying to twist what i say or miss quote me.... that would be great

you tried to find a contradiction and failed. by miss-quoting. and even then the quotes you supplied still match with what i say. the change you want is small. by changing something that effects everything.

are you capable of coming up with an argument for this change? cause thats the way to prove something to be done..

hell even if you prove everything i say to be false. theres still one question (the main question) to be answered. why should it be done?
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Jokku23 said:
There was no misquoting, your logic just happens to be self-contradictory.


as just pointed out. i wasnt contradicting myself.

the change you want this to be for is small...

by changing something big....

thats even clear with the 2 quotes you provide.
so either you miss understood. or your miss represent them.

and lets say hypothetically i was being contradictory... does that mean this change should happen? no....

why? because it havent been proven to be done yet..

so trying to nitpick my argument gets you nowhere.
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Jokku23 said:
Tenebri said:


the change you want this to be for is small...

by changing something big....

thats even clear with the 2 quotes you provide.
so either you miss understood. or your miss represent them.

First you said "no change is big because it effects every aspect of the game". Then "yes i said the change you want is effecting a very small part of the game."

That's a contradiction. So, let's try again. Answer this:

So if it's changed to let's say 10 mins, this change affects every aspect of the game?

Yes or no?

Tenebri said:
and lets say hypothetically i was being contradictory... does that mean this change should happen? no....

why? because it havent been proven to be done yet..

so trying to nitpick my argument gets you nowhere.

Like I have said:
Jokku23 said:
As I have said many times, if it improves the gaming experience and doesn't even harm anyone there is a reason for doing it. Whether it should happen or not is a matter of opinion, but improvements like this are added to the game all the time. :)


Jokku23 said:
So, it improves the gaming experience and doesn't harm anyone, but in your opinion it shouldn't happen. You are entitled to your opinion, but that kind of updates (i.e. updates that by your logic shouldn't happen) are added to the game all the time :)


it shows my point wonderfully. its changing something huge. for something small. so thank you for proving my point... its not a contradiction. you are confusing "a huge change" and "wanting the change for a small reason" as something to be contradictory... when they arent.

i want the moon closer to my window. so when i occasionally look out i see more moon than sky.... wanting a big change for something small

i really hope we wont go in circles now you just quoted something we spent pages on....
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Draco Burnz said:
Tenebri said:
it shows my point wonderfully. its changing something huge. for something small. so thank you for proving my point... its not a contradiction. you are confusing "a huge change" and "wanting the change for a small reason" as something to be contradictory... when they arent.

i want the moon closer to my window. so when i occasionally look out i see more moon than sky.... wanting a big change for something small

i really hope we wont go in circles now you just quoted something we spent pages on....


Dont get your hopes up too high...


they are as low as they can be with this thread hahaha
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Elemental619 said:
You can go on and say that some big updates don't do anything for the game and even small ones that screw everything up.


yeah. you can? even though its closely related to what jokkul wanted to bring up. it doesnt add anything to do it unfortunately

nor does it explain why this should even happen anyway
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Oh my god jokkul you get annoyed when i said you dont read what i say. This is just proof of that

You want a big change for something small. That will effect every aspect of he game. As the timer does effect every aspect of it. However your reasoning for it. Is small.

But it effects the whole game

The only thing thats small is your reasoning (lol)

But to get that changing the game timer effects not just looking at anja like you want

And as explained no game activity requires more than 5 minutes. So there is no point

This is last time im saying it. Get over it read it.

Why speaking to you do i have repeat everything even if its simple concept
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I did answer them thats what im trying to do atleast.

You just cant get your head around

A huge change for a small thing. You think is a contradiction.

I believe i said you miss quoted. And also misunderstood


Many bosses you can afk. Kree for instance.


So yes ive answered. Youve still yet to answer why its needed.
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Im not saying that at all. You are wanting the change for a small portion of the game. Which effects the whole game. Ive been saying this for pages now....


If you dont want to pick up any drops then i guess it could maybe. But afk doesnt mean more than 5 minutes 1 minute is enough for it to be classed as afk. But im unsure if you can survive in 5 minutes in kree. Try it.

Well one im not contradictin myself. And 2 no im not saying its op the complete opposite.... im saying it pointless read like all of posts and youll see ive said theres no need for this change. I havent said once op...

Like i said pages ago just because theres a benefit doesnt mean it should happen. I believe i did use an analogy to explain. Then you consnetrated on the analogy not the statement not understanding what an analogy is for. Which you showed to understand as you tried to debunk thr analogy with it instead. Saying its a bad analogy etc. Which does nothing yo the statement itself

I would find but on phone hense more typos so i would find it but phone makes it annoying to do so


Honestly it seems we will go in circiles in this. And id rather not. Ive answered the questions you gave me. Even if you think i havent so yeah
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yes not needed.... is also pointless...

its not needed to make the moon pink. pointless and not needed

all you seem to doing is trying to search for contradictions...

and again youve proven you dont understand what an analogy is for....


life is like a box of chocolates is an analogy
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zero dinero said:
I only agree with you because it takes me longer than 5 minutes to smoke a cigarette. It's fine otherwise, to me anyway.

There are activities that take longer than 1-2 minutes of afk time. The gathering skills for example, wcing yews and up, fishing sharks and up, mining harmed ore, fallen stars or sea salt, etc. Even agility posts in priff can be afked. None of this is botting. Infact these activities are built to be afk, because higher tiered rewards take a longer time to gather and rightfully so.

My problem is that you worded it in a way that that is somehow botting. It is not.


the only thing that will change is when you get back from smoking you wont be in lobby. you wouldnt have gained anymore xp than you would have if it was more than 5 minutes
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C a z said:
I would like the logout timer increased to maybe 20 minutes. This is a reasonable time for people that have to do a few real ife things yet isn't long enough to help bots.


As stated previously in the thread increasing it does nothing to actual game play. Sure you can now cook inrl for longer. But nothing is happening to your account during this time except the first 5 minutes after that activites stop so there is no need to be logged in after 5 minutes unless interacting
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Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
C a z said:
I would like the logout timer increased to maybe 20 minutes. This is a reasonable time for people that have to do a few real ife things yet isn't long enough to help bots.


As stated previously in the thread increasing it does nothing to actual game play. Sure you can now cook inrl for longer. But nothing is happening to your account during this time except the first 5 minutes after that activites stop so there is no need to be logged in after 5 minutes unless interacting


It actually does. Increases idle time staying logged ingame.


whats the point in being idle, youve just help the cause ive been trying to make. i use the word "interact" a lot in this thread. because thats what it is. you are idle... deserve to be logged out.

imagine the game update

"you can now be idle for longer, which is something we want out of you in this game you arent now playing"

seriously grasping at straws
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yes i post the updated further back in the thread too holds no validity in what you want. because its doing whats its suppose to. nothing to say so you can go cook a roast. or go to gym


Tenebri said:
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this is where i said it if youd like to see.


it only says check forums or check game guides. therefore its still indicating you are with in game. again not cooking inrl. ggame guides meaning you have rs opened you are just checking how to do next bit of quest, (still engaging with game)
checking forums with ge only being out 2 years still a lot of trading was over forums. (most of my pc is from that still) again engaging with in the game

so yes they increased it. for game play purposes. staying idle gaining 0 xp 0 gp literally only game time. is pointless.
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Elemental619 said:
or any of the other things i listed? It only said game guides and forums.


what did you list?

waiting for friends? thats done in lobby

i remember waiting for friends in game and going to lobby to do it. so familiars etc didnt die or atleast would be more when we start


and yes it only says game guides and forums. you are 100% correct there. so i guess nothing else if going by literal sense of it
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to your list, in my opinion no it doesnt count. watching youtube twitch etc no not at all

again i bring up the after 5 minutes you are just idle. whats the point in being logged in if idle in the game

5minutes is plenty of time to be able to do the things you listed. and also play the game. there really is no need to stay logged in if idle. once you stop gaining in the game you are idle. you chose how you train by what you do around it. if you need most afk method cause want to to witch twitch youtube etc. then youll do something with little concentration so you can do so. like arc, seren stones, crystal tree. when they deplete (less than 5 minutes) youll be back clicking once. then back to twicth etc. you wont be killing telos if you want to to those things. youll listen to music or nothing in background just rs only.

so they arent idle in game if gaining xp. they are doing something for their account. idle is doing literally nothing. which is what you would be doing now if timer is increased more than 5 minutes.

there is no benefit in staying logged in after 5 minutes. so why change it. so you can do nothing? that makes no sense to do.


your last bit i have no idea what you are talking about. something about dailies and logic. but i dont know how it references being lobbied.


but honestly what you are now portraying as an argument for it. ive covered already in this thread.
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Elemental619 said:
Not gaining xp is idle? what about waiting for ge offers? waiting for spawns, certain daily events. Theres no need to do any activity for 6 mins or more for these for the timer to kick you out of what you are doing.



Tenebri said:

your last bit i have no idea what you are talking about. something about dailies and logic. but i dont know how it references being lobbied.


but honestly what you are now portraying as an argument for it. ive covered already in this thread.



milking familiar timer isn't the same as milking the forced daily timer?


waiting for ge offers id say is idle yes, which is why i dont idle waiting for them. why would i wait? when i could do something else. like interact with the game.

waiting for spawns to an extent yes is idle. but none go more than 5 minutes so no need to increase timer for that. so dont know why you bring that up.

its like youve taken me saying idle to the extreme. im talking about it past 5 minutes of no activity (as that what this thread is about, no activity for 5 minutes log out....) you bring up stuff that is less than 5 minutes....

there is no activity that lasts more than 6 minutes of afk, maybe hefin pillars, but wouldnt be worth it really unless completely afk for like 40 minutes. then it could finish in that time.

so again i ask why increase the 5 minute timer to just be idle.... da ja vu its like this question been asked in so many ways. and repeated. but never actually answered and its only one i care about that gets answered. as its one that will move discussion further....

dailies are just activites. if you want to play the game just with the dailies then thats a choice i guess. why are we now talking about dailies?
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Elemental619 said:
Right.. but overall.. being idle is part of the game right, unless you're trying to take it away from the game?


not in the context you want it, no

is there being idle in game sure. but its not the way you are trying to twist it.

waiting a spawn is idle in some context. but you are there waiting to fight, you wont leave the computer with it on edge about to spawn.


but just to bite im going to say yes being idle is apart of the game (even though i disagree) but how does that mean we should increase the timer to more than 5 minutes (oh my god its this question again)
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Elemental619 said:
how so?


i did just edit my post

but to answer what on earth do you mean how so?

im saying its not apart of the game

waiting for a spawn in a context can be classed as idle. but in reality you are concentrating on whats about to happen. so you are still engaged with the game.

you are wanting it so you arent engaged in the game doing fuck all. but still logged in.
why?
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Mr Mtn Man said:
The only reason i would want this increased is bc i have been lobbied allot while priff thieving. I would be picking pockets and gaining xp and all of a sudden it lobbys me. I Dont click on anything bc im getting exp. There should at least be a limit placed that if the character is earning exp it doesnt start till they arnt earning exp. Bc if im pick pocketing at priff im not going to be clicking around and i watch tv shows while playing so as long as i see the exp going up i dont mess with them game unless i get talkative.


so something very specific to change it. so you can afk more. and even then not justified.
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Kip Tandoori said:
Tenebri said:
why are you wanting it increased? you said yourself the "only" benefit is combat and with combat you still want the 5 minute auto log. so whats the point? if the only benefit from doing this you dont want it to effect it.

if you cant answer that then no support. as youve negated your only reasoning for it


Ok..
I support this, because i know from other games this is a better gaming experience.
I've been standing in guild wars for hours and days without logging off just to finish one mission or just standing in the 'main' areas as legendary cartographer..
It gives you relaxed time to look around and experience the game world.
Because of skilling and other activities i think it should only be 'active' when your idle or not doing anything (writing excluded) and should last about 20 min to 1h or endless.



"idle" is the main word out of that. and thats when it is in effect is when you are idle in game. so all works fine
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Kip Tandoori said:
Tbh when i think about this a bit longer, i dont see any reason why there is a 5 min log off.
Except to keep us at the screen maybe.
Encouraging botting? Endless skilling? i don't see it really. There's always something that has to be 'reactivated', like clicking for another batch of protean or walking/running/tele to another tree.


how does it encourage botting?


Kip Tandoori said:
Yes only when you're not doing anything except writing maybe.
So you could be standing at one place for an hour or longer but when you start doing something, there's a 5 min log off.
This would also improve the mobile gaming experience i think, because i believe you put away a phone alot easier for some minutes. And if you need to log in everytime you put your phone down for a second, you might quit that session sooner then when you're still online.


and whats the point in being logged in if you are just standing there doing absolutely nothing? esepcially as whats been stated in previous pages theres a small % of gaming activity that lasts longer than 5 minutes. a very very small % less than 1%.

if im cooking a invent a shark and i go away for 15 minutes whats point of me staying logged in for other 14 or so minutes when my character isnt doing anything? why do you want to stay logged in for that?


you are asking for something to effect the game so people can still be in game taking up memory especially as you want it to last forever. that will create so many people just standing there not doing anything.
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CuddleBucket said:
bump


are you going to contribute or just say bump?

you were asked a question id like to know answer to

CoolBeans568 said:
CuddleBucket said:
5 min logout so out of date with todays game


Plz explain how it is?

Otherwise id take it as theres nothing wrong.

Cant change something without giving a logical reason as to why it needs changing.




contribute to the thread its been 57 pages. if you want to bump it then atleast be helpful in it
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CoolBeans568 said:
CuddleBucket said:
bump


Once again:

Tenebri said:


are you going to contribute or just say bump?

you were asked a question id like to know answer to

CoolBeans568 said:
CuddleBucket said:
5 min logout so out of date with todays game


Plz explain how it is?

Otherwise id take it as theres nothing wrong.

Cant change something without giving a logical reason as to why it needs changing.




contribute to the thread its been 57 pages. if you want to bump it then atleast be helpful in it



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Elemental619 said:
Kip Tandoori said:
Tbh when i think about this a bit longer, i dont see any reason why there is a 5 min log off.
Except to keep us at the screen maybe.
Encouraging botting? Endless skilling? i don't see it really. There's always something that has to be 'reactivated', like clicking for another batch of protean or walking/running/tele to another tree.


Its so simple to think of it lol.


again i ask why would you want to be logged in. when you account is not doing anything?

just standing there gaining nothing. there is no reason for this. thats why a 5 minute timer works. as majority 99% of activity will require 5 minutes before it depleted (or less) so being logged in past this. there is no reason for

ive asked this countless time during these 57 pages. and no one has answered it


why do you want to be logged in if you arent doing anything?

if you answer this then i may support this idea if its good enough reason. but this question is always ignored so ill again ask it in same post

why do you want to be logged in if you arent doing anything?

rephrased also

why do you want to be logged in if you are gaining no xp?

why do you want to be logged in if you arent progressing with in the game?

why do you want to be logged in if you arent socialising with people with in game? (if you were the log out timer wouldnt be an issue. i thought id this little thing.... cause you know.)
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Elemental619 said:
Explain a reason to log in then if there is one to "log out"


are you tapdancing again? thats not the question at all is it treacle.



so stop being this birdy and tapdancing around the question. and actually answer. we arent talking about reasons to log in or log out. we are talking about not auto logging out. so come on poppet. just a reason why we should stay logged in when our account is doing fuck all....


the more you just purposely dont answer the more reasoning i have to believe you have nothing

so again i ask.

why would you still want to be logged in..... when your account is doing nothing. just standing there being idle.


but i can answer reason to log in is to play the game... are you playing the game if you havent interacted with your account for 5 minutes? the answer is no. therefore you should log out.... and guess what it does it for you!!!! as it auto logs you out after 5 minutes. cause believe it or not poppet. thats when your account is doing nothing already.... clever how that works isnt it


(if you act stupid about the question ill act as if you are a child, okay poppet?)
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Elemental619 said:
It is relate able. Why auto kick when theres an "auto" log in to so the samething someone is doing and getting kicked?

And posting random pictures is spam is it not?


theres text with it. and there is also context. such as you are tapdancing around a simple question. this bird is tapdancing :D


which is what you are still doing. you havent answered why this is even needed when after 5 minutes your account is doing nothing anyway
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Elemental619 said:
The only response that you can come up with is "doesn't need it" to every answer given. How is that still a "small" part of the game if it way outside your small narrow game play? Even with simple logic that could fix the abuse and actually improve game play, you disapprove because of how you play. And responding with going around in circles is really w/o any ideas.



Yes that is only answer thats needed.


Youve given no answer as to why it should happen. You just try and distract from the question that you have beem asked


If someone disagreed 2+2 doesnt = 4 all we will do is give same answer. As thats all thats needed. We would also ask that person yo give reasoning as to how its not 4. Thats what im doing for you. Give me a reason why it should be increased. Yiu cant. Because there is none. Youve been asked this loads and always never answer.

In any situation where you would log out automatically there is no reason to still be logged in as you arent playing yourbcharacter has stopped what its been doing anyeay due to it being depleted already. So again and again i ask. Why increase it when it will do fuck all
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Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
The only response that you can come up with is "doesn't need it" to every answer given. How is that still a "small" part of the game if it way outside your small narrow game play? Even with simple logic that could fix the abuse and actually improve game play, you disapprove because of how you play. And responding with going around in circles is really w/o any ideas.



Yes that is only answer thats needed.


Youve given no answer as to why it should happen. You just try and distract from the question that you have beem asked


If someone disagreed 2+2 doesnt = 4 all we will do is give same answer. As thats all thats needed. We would also ask that person yo give reasoning as to how its not 4. Thats what im doing for you. Give me a reason why it should be increased. Yiu cant. Because there is none. Youve been asked this loads and always never answer.

In any situation where you would log out automatically there is no reason to still be logged in as you arent playing yourbcharacter has stopped what its been doing anyeay due to it being depleted already. So again and again i ask. Why increase it when it will do fuck all


The answer that was given to you is an answer you consider wrong because you can't see it.


then why is it so difficult to repeat this? ive repeated mine so many times. it seems you claim there has been an answer, either ive not seen it.... or i didnt understand it. so maybe reiterate it? so i can understand

just saying

ThErE iS oNe

doesnt help in any situation.

or if that really is your "reason" then lmao thats not a good enough reason at all. it provides nothing helpful.
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Elemental619 said:
logically, its the same as not looking at your character where you disagree. If it were to be smart, you would agree that at anytime you're not at looking at your character you shouldn't be logged in.


no as i can be doing something on the account when not looking at it. its called afk. and the maximum that cna be is the same as the auto log. so it works well as is
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Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
logically, its the same as not looking at your character where you disagree. If it were to be smart, you would agree that at anytime you're not at looking at your character you shouldn't be logged in.


no as i can be doing something on the account when not looking at it. its called afk. and the maximum that cna be is the same as the auto log. so it works well as is


you mean idle.. ie not supposed to be logged in.


so now wanting the shorten the timer?

and idle can work too yes

wont make difference to me if you shorten timer. only when i cook. but i wouldnt support it per se. as doesnt make sense to shorten same with lengthening.
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Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
logically, its the same as not looking at your character where you disagree. If it were to be smart, you would agree that at anytime you're not at looking at your character you shouldn't be logged in.


no as i can be doing something on the account when not looking at it. its called afk. and the maximum that cna be is the same as the auto log. so it works well as is


you mean idle.. ie not supposed to be logged in.


so now wanting the shorten the timer?

and idle can work too yes

wont make difference to me if you shorten timer
. only when i cook. but i wouldnt support it per se. as doesnt make sense to shorten same with lengthening.

Right.. since it'll effect you in a negative way.


it wouldnt effect me do you read anything i said? "wont make difference to me".... seriously thats literally written there you quoted it. and you say complete opposite... nicely done treacle
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Kevvr said:
Short and incomplete list of activities that will get you booted by the short 5 minute timer despite the fact that you're still playing

Harps at Prif
Elder tree chopping
Fishing spots
Harmonized ore
Prayer purification training in prif
Protean item use

Either these things need to break the logout timer countdown or the timer needs to be extended.


harps - i just tested it took 4 minutes before it went 0-100% that was me testing you can do also
elder tree - i didnt even know people did this as its trrible in every aspect but as with all resource plots (excluding arc) they vary depending some can be 1 log some 10 etc not worth doing for a tree
fishing spots - after 200m fishing i dont recall ever going past auto log out when fishing. also same as above except fishing spot not tree
iirc for the only few mill i did there but icba to test as im 200m prayer. but if this true. is it really worth the effort to change for 1 thing? that isnt justifiable reason to change
protean items we have already discussed and they are less than 5 minutes its like on page 28 or something far far back. but either way they dont go past 5 minutes

so best to do research instead of just posting things you think are more than 5 minutes

and hell even if all these things were 7 minutes of afk. doesnt mean it should happen either. we have discussed why the 5 minute auto log is there. before id rather not go in circles. but im aware new people do come into the debate after pages and pages. but ill just refind it and quote it if it does get to that
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Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
logically, its the same as not looking at your character where you disagree. If it were to be smart, you would agree that at anytime you're not at looking at your character you shouldn't be logged in.


no as i can be doing something on the account when
not looking at it
. its called afk. and the maximum that cna be is the same as the auto log. so it works well as is


you mean idle.. ie not supposed to be logged in.


so now wanting the shorten the timer?

and idle can work too yes


wont make difference to me if you shorten timer
. only when i cook. but i wouldnt support it per se. as doesnt make sense to shorten same with lengthening.

Right.. since it'll effect you in a negative way.


it wouldnt effect me do you read anything i said? "wont make difference to me".... seriously thats literally written there you quoted it. and you say complete opposite... nicely done treacle


Can't deny thats not idle..


highlighted that part too. you really do need to start reading. i said it is idle.... lmao. you really need do need to read what is said...
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Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
logically, its the same as not looking at your character where you disagree. If it were to be smart, you would agree that at anytime you're not at looking at your character you shouldn't be logged in.


no as i can be doing something on the account when
not looking at it
. its called afk. and the maximum that cna be is the same as the auto log. so it works well as is


you mean idle.. ie not supposed to be logged in.


so now wanting the shorten the timer?

and idle can work too yes


wont make difference to me if you shorten timer
. only when i cook. but i wouldnt support it per se. as doesnt make sense to shorten same with lengthening.

Right.. since it'll effect you in a negative way.


it wouldnt effect me do you read anything i said? "wont make difference to me".... seriously thats literally written there you quoted it. and you say complete opposite... nicely done treacle


Can't deny thats not idle..


highlighted that part too. you really do need to start reading. i said it is idle.... lmao. you really need do need to read what is said...

Therefor shouldn't be logged in.


indeed so no need to increase the timer to help people be logged in even more than they shouldnt.

well done for knocking your own suggestion



as you just said if idle no need to be logged in and i agree its what ive been saying since the bloody start

guess thread can finally be closed as op says to not increase timer if idle

damn took its time but done
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Elemental619 said:
]Tenebri said:
indeed so no need to increase the timer to help people be logged in even more than they shouldnt.

well done for knocking your own suggestion

http://i.imgur.com//kKdBgAD.jpg

as you just said if idle no need to be logged in and i agree its what ive been saying since the bloody start

guess thread can finally be closed as op says to not increase timer if idle

damn took its time but done



And that includes afkers with in the 5 min zone. Contradiction much?

Also those memes you're posting makings you look bad for going around in circles trying to avoid the facts.


its a gif not a meme...

how is it a contradiction? you have just said if idle should be logged out. so your whole suggestion is now flawed. as after 5 minutes your account is literally idle. and you have said shouldnt be logged in if idle...

what facts am i avoiding? you've provided none. a fact is your account will be doing nothing after 5 minutes. everythign depletes etc in that time. so increasing the timer solves nothing at all.

you have been asked countless times to provide and you avoid the question.

and now you say idle = should be logged out

so all is done it seems
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05-Nov-2018 23:39:21 - Last edited on 05-Nov-2018 23:45:24 by Tenebri

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Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
]Tenebri said:
indeed so no need to increase the timer to help people be logged in even more than they shouldnt.

well done for knocking your own suggestion

http://i.imgur.com//kKdBgAD.jpg

as you just said if idle no need to be logged in and i agree its what ive been saying since the bloody start

guess thread can finally be closed as op says to not increase timer if idle

damn took its time but done



And that includes afkers with in the 5 min zone. Contradiction much?

Also those memes you're posting makings you look bad for going around in circles trying to avoid the facts.


its a gif not a meme...

how is it a contradiction? you have just said if idle should be logged out. so your whole suggestion is now flawed. as after 5 minutes your account is literally idle. and you have said shouldnt be logged in if idle...

what facts am i avoiding? you've provided none.

If only you figured it out by now.


if only you actually answer

then i might be able to
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Elemental619 said:
Only if your logic actually made any sense. There were plenty of hints to help out.


you mean your logic of wanting to increase timer. when theres no reason to?

logic of not seeing the point of being logged in when your account isnt going to be doing anything? cause that seems logical to me. if you arent playing and your account isnt doing anything why be logged in?

you think its logical to be logged in?


instead of making false personal claims. why not give the reason as to why this should happen...

its been 62 pages. youve yet to give one. instead whenever the question comes up. you dont answer it. the more you dont answer the more reason we have to think you just cant admit to thinking of a bad suggestion. but instead try to hold onto it.

so come on poppet why is this a good idea?

why should the timer be increased. even though no activity in game will need you being idle for more than 5 minutes and still be doing something.

just give a reason. why is it so difficult for you to? (apart from the obvious there is no reason you can even think of)

you say theres been "hints" well hints dont help. why leave hints why not just bloody say it.


what would be a logical is to answer the question to help your cause. instead of saying the person asking doesnt have any logic

makes you look foolish.

so can you finally answer what should be an easy thing to answer? or are you incapable? (if the latter then you are just a troll and you win troll as its been 62 pages worth so grats)

Elemental619 said:

Not being forced to the lobby if you're .1 secs late getting back to the game...?


best thing i can find after this all you do is claim youve given a reason.

is this really the only thing? just incase you are 1 second late getting back to game?

hahahahahahaha
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i know the definition of it.

but that doesnt answer anything as to why you think the timer should be increased.

because we are idle after 5 minutes of not touching the account.

you wanted to the use the word idle. not me. infact i said "idle could work"

but i completely agree with you. if idle you should be logged out.

so end of thread especially as op cant give any reaosn to increase the timer. only stuff to shorten it

so fuck it. support going back to 90 second timer. stop these afkers
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Elemental619 said:
Actually, this thread is about increasing or removing the timer completely.


Exactly so you either stay logged in forever. Or for more than 5 minutes. Im against both as each one fall underm you being idle while either not playing or being idle long enough for yoy account to also go idle and gain nothing

So either way its an increase. As will be longer than 5 minutes with out logging out...

So decrease can work
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Mizz Athena said:
Tenebri said:
CuddleBucket said:
Should be updated in line with the way the game has changed


we have asked you so many times now.

how has the game changed to warrant this update?


No more random events, nearly ever server is under 200 people except during events and right now during dxp at one of the busiest times of the day most are under 500 (15 out of 141 have over 500 people) so server loads isn't an issue in fact this would keep more people on making servers look busier than it normally does with like 100ish people per server.

Why shouldn't they change the timer? With a 5 min afk timer which will put your character into the rest animation and half hour log out it would put in line with other modern MMOs. It's not going to affect bots and it's going to boost numbers on servers making them look less empty and sad than they do now. All this really does is make it so people can go do some chores, have a shower ect and come back and get straight back into playing.

Edit: The game is now also Client based where it used to be browser based which makes it more stable.


after 5 minutes your account will be doing nothing why be logged in if your account is doing nothing.
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Mizz Athena said:
So when people get back to their computer they can get straight back into what the6 were doing before they went afk like you're able too with every other modern MMO. So people can go afk for what ever reason and not feel rushed to get back because a short timer will log them out. Seriously what is the harm in extending the timer? People spend hours doing nothing while chatting in clan/friend chats.


you are still able to go afk

idc about other games.

im not saying there is harm? so i dont know why you add that. this whole thread ive been saying there is no reason to. which is still correct.

nothing yet they chat? thts not nothing is it. they are chatting. so will still be logged in....

all youve got is an inconvenience of going to lobby so clicking once to get back into game... come on...
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i can easily same same to you, you give a "reason" which you think warrants the change. i dont think it does.

and it seems to come down to you dont want to click log in (one click when going afk for more than 5 mins)

that is your reasoning. which yes is not a good enough reason at all. the skills that go past 5 minutes of afk go past it by seconds.

"Give me some solid reasons that i can't dispute (no "i can't see a reason to" isn't a valid argument) and I'll stop."

lmao are you now shifting who needs to provide evidence? you are wanting this the default is for "nothing to happen" and thats what im going with until a good enough reason is presented. so far in 64 pages. yours is the closest which is "im too lazy to click once to log in back in"

the fact its been 64 pages and that is the best so far. is enough to say there is no reason for this to happen.

youve pretty much said. prove to me unicorns dont exist and ill stop saying they do.... shifting burden of proof. is a terrible way to go. as it shows you have nothing left to add to your argument.


e:

only just saw your other post

the because people want it it means its good enough? you cant be serious with that surely???? the fact people dont want it (the majority if you read the thread) enough reason why it shouldnt.... if you are going by ad populum fallacy you fail on its own merrit when you look at the thread....
ill go into further.
you think because a small amount of people want it. it now makes it a good idea. thats wrong
you think because people want it its worth doing - again thats wrong as it can used the in reverse. people dont want it therefore it shouldnt happen

when you start going into fallacies you know have nothing to go on.

==
inconvenience of clicking once.... you are playing a game requires to click hundredsthousand / millions of times. and you are complaining about 1 click. i dont think this is a gme for you if one click is such an issue
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A  Cole said:
A  Cole said:

My reason for increased log-out timer:

There are areas of the game where logging out to the lobby is detrimental to your game play. An example of this is Runespan, where the Yellow Wizard resets when you log back in and you have to start the 10 minute wait again. The current 5 minute log-out timer does not allow for unplanned extended absences from your keyboard. Increasing the timer would allow us to not feel anxious about having to get back in such a hurry.

I'm restating this to prove that there are more reasons to increase the log in timer other than "im too lazy to click once to log in back in" [sic].


~A~


You are not going to be rewarded a yellow wizard for doing fuck all. So no
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A  Cole said:
Tenebri said:
You are not going to be rewarded a yellow wizard for doing fuck all. So no
Who said we're doing nothing? One could be training there for hours on end, chasing down wizards as they appear. Another wizard is about to get lost, but you get called away to [insert reason here]. I wouldn't call this "doing [nothing]". I'd go the other way and say that those who are trying to actively do something are the ones being punished. Those who just afk RuneSpan wouldn't care less.


~A~

you said you are doing nothing. consdering we are talking about auto log (which is doing nothing with in the game)


how are you chasing down wizards if you can trigger the auto log?
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A  Cole said:
When you have gone AFK (again, for whatever reason), you are clearly not doing anything. I 100% agree with you on this, and in my opinion we should not even be able to get experience when we go AFK.


~A~


sweet so we shouldnt increase the log out to more than 5 minutes. because it should be reset if gone.

all is good

or

if it is an actual issue. the wizard wont reset if logged out. therefore not effecting the log out timer... so if this is an issue its not an issue with the log out timer. its an issue with logging out at all
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Draco Burnz said:
Elemental619 said:
It does make perfect sense. Bots, 1 button/s = 1 actions. player, 1 button =1 action and what ever that is, they stay in game.
Again, a bot staying on and a person afking for 6+ mins shouldn't be logged in?


Wow, my head hurts more than before:@


actually a bot is 1 input = more than output thats why people use them to do stuff for them

player is 1 input = 1 output

that was one way i believe it was jagex explained how and why they are aginast rules

it was also used to show which mousekeys were allowed and not allowed

1 input = 1 output = allowed

1 input = more than one output = not allowed

so you saying that for bots really is strange. fundamentals of how botting is wrong as it does more than output for you.


but i dont know how you are now talking about bots. of course bots should be banned asap, whether its first time using for 50th. no matter what if the timer is increased to 1 hour or reduced to 90seconds this wont effect them at all. as there is script running keeping them online.

the fact that the player is doing nothing means they shouldnt be logged in. the fact that the bot is well botting... means they should be banned yes

you are comparing apples to not oranges but to a couch. they are far from comparable to this situation

botting we know is 100% against rules.
afking is not against the rules. and here you are trying to (or atleast i think trying to) imply we dont care that bots are staying logged in? because we dont agree with your idea of increasing or abolishing the log out timer.... i hope i just misinterpreted what you said and you are just trying to be clever.


but of course bots shouldnt be logged in at all.
to answer your question and yes after 5 minutes of no activity from a player they should also be logged out. due to inactivity.
as stated i dont know how you think those questions can go together...
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..... continued

Elemental619 said:

Player waiting for minigames to start should be logged out since they're not technically playing?


i dont know why you bought this up as we were talking about runespan not a minigame.

runespan he stated he was hunting for the wizards. i asked him how he was hunting for these wizards if he can trigger the auto log?

keep up poppet
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ErkalEtruria said:
How can one defend a topic for sixty-seven pages with some of them contradicting the argument that they're trying to make?:O
ErkalEtruria said:
Elemental619 said:
You mean the ones going against it?
Yeah that. Thanks. I think I fixed it.


would you like to share these contradictions?

the amount of pages a thread has doesnt add to its validity
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ErkalEtruria said:
Tenebri said:
ErkalEtruria said:
How can one defend a topic for sixty-seven pages with some of them contradicting the argument that they're trying to make?:O
ErkalEtruria said:
Elemental619 said:
You mean the ones going against it?
Yeah that. Thanks. I think I fixed it.


would you like to share these contradictions?

the amount of pages a thread has doesn't add to its validity
Didn't you point it out right off the bat on the first page?


That contridiction is for people wanting it. Why i said it. You just said the people not wanting it are making the contridictions. Or are you saying the people not wanting it (me) have pointed out contridictions for this happening?

Im now a little confused as to who you are saying have made the contridictions hahaha.


Tenebri said:
why are you wanting it increased? you said yourself the "only" benefit is combat and with combat you still want the 5 minute auto log. so whats the point? if the only benefit from doing this you dont want it to effect it.

if you cant answer that then no support. as youve negated your only reasoning for it


I quoted the contridiction for wantng it. To here. So do you agree with what i said? Or are you wanting it increased? Just need clarification as to where you are standing. As stated little confused
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Elemental619 said:
Pretty much backed up by the recent update Jagex released.


whats backed up? by recent update? the fact its still 5 minutes? or the fact that afk is punished with less xp now in mining and smithing. and rewarded with more xp for paying attention. making this suggestion pointless?

are you now against your own idea?
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Elemental619 said:
Never said anything about the lousy mining and smithing update. And besides, they made them both more afkable so whats your point?


recent update. meant i had to guess what update you were talking about. (thanks for clarifying which update you were talking about.... so i can give a proper response... oh wait i still dont know. even after asking)

and they also made it so you are rewarded for not afking. with faster xp. enforcing you to not afk.

did you not read what i said? as thats what i said... that is the point. they dont want you to afk. you get rewarded by not doing it. so kind of looks like they dont want you to afk

the afk methods are slower xp than before anyway for mining anyways. i havent done smithing yet on my alt to know. so if you want to have same xp rates in mining nonetheless than before the update you cant afk :) sorry poppet
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Elemental619 said:
Since when do xp rates matter for staying logged in after 5 mins? Actually.. when does it even matter for people afking?

As far as recent update goes, it can go back as far as a month and thats why theres no need to specify and there are plenty of them that support this.


You really do need to say which one. As i cant see any that supoort this. Its like trying to create your own bias. When questioned. Nope i dont need to explain. its very suspect how youd rather defend you saying which one (which would help your own thread) than actually say it

And ill do same

The most recent updates really shows that this should not happen. Its surprising you still think is a valid suggestion.

now we have a contridiction ive said one thing youve said the other. which one will be more valid? the one thats actually given validity to it by saying (see my post about mining smith rework) or the one thats reluctant to even say which one (cause there isnt one)


And for the xp you are deliberately ignoring the fact that xp is important a main aspect to the game and growth of your account. And afking is now punished if you do it, By getting less x[ rates. Which inturn has a impact on the 5 minute log out. They are heavily connected. Dont play stupid now.

so why would they now make afking easier by making you be able to do it longer. when it seems jagex dont want you to do it.

see the connection now? i pretty much explained it before. but you know some people need that little more bless
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Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
..s.


You really do need to say which one. As i cant see any that supoort this. Its like trying to create your own bias. When questioned. Nope i dont need to explain. its very suspect how youd rather defend you saying which one (which would help your own thread) than actually say it

And ill do same

The most recent updates really shows that this should not happen. Its surprising you still think is a valid suggestion.

now we have a contridiction ive said one thing youve said the other. which one will be more valid? the one thats actually given validity to it by saying (see my post about mining smith rework) or the one thats reluctant to even say which one (cause there isnt one)


And for the xp you are deliberately ignoring the fact that xp is important a main aspect to the game and growth of your account. And afking is now punished if you do it, By getting less x[ rates. Which inturn has a impact on the 5 minute log out. They are heavily connected. Dont play stupid now.

so why would they now make afking easier by making you be able to do it longer. when it seems jagex dont want you to do it.

see the connection now? i pretty much explained it before. but you know some people need that little more bless


According to you, anyone who is not gaining the most efficient xp is playing the game wrong as to the some ones wanting to not be kicked out of the game for afking because you said so? For that logic, 99% of the games content should be removed then. And if there was a brain, its pretty easy to figure out which updates would lead to having the logout timer


no thats not what im saying at all. im saying (yet again) that afking is now punished with less xp.
youve said that its more afk. and im saying that the afk nature of it now. is less xp than before the rework. therefore afk has been nerfed.
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Elemental619 said:
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Right and staying logged in w/o gaining is wrong?


after 5 minutes yes. use to be bannable (just afking was)

Sure it was.


indeed it was

but nonetheless as you are now trying to get into conversation on something away from the main point ive been trying to make. ill just reiterate that instead.

being afk is punished with less xp (aka bfore the rework mining afk was more xp than mining afk now)
it seems jagex are not wanting you to afk their game. so why would they do this?
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Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Right and staying logged in w/o gaining is wrong?


after 5 minutes yes. use to be bannable (just afking was)

Sure it was.


indeed it was

but nonetheless as you are now trying to get into conversation on something away from the main point ive been trying to make. ill just reiterate that instead.

being afk is punished with less xp (aka bfore the rework mining afk was more xp than mining afk now)
it seems jagex are not wanting you to afk their game. so why would they do this?

First. That was from 2011.

If you actually know the context, you would know theres two different things going on.


yes its from 2011. thats why i used the past tense "was" and "use to be"

wonders how much things make sense when you read

clever how language works that way....
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Elemental619 said:


And for anyone afking, why does xp rate matter them? For them afking, don't think they care about anything but being kicked out of the game for no reason.


ive explained why afk and xp are linked. you are now going in circles and ignoring what ive said. its not about xp rates and afk. its the fact its now punished

so its not about personal basis of afking its how the game is

like talking to a brick wall
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Elemental619 said:
Its not like you can afk and not wanting any xp... keep at it.


and you are rewarded with more xp by not going afk. so why increase the timer when its punished already with less xp.

what would be limit for ores now? they dont deplete. rewarding clicking a ore then going to sleep with 500 ports 28 in invent (840) (1340 altogether) with out doing anything. hell no. mining would be a skill you train as you go to sleep each day.

"time for bed time to click on a ore" then sleep. 1340 mined by clicking once. thats definitely not what jagex want. especially as they reward hard work. not slacking off by afk
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Elemental619 said:
There is already a fix for that mentioned earlier.


care to go into it? or just going to make a claim with out backing it at all. like usual?

but its odd to want something that requires a fix. when we could just keep it as it is now.... more logicical option. (like been saying whole thread, as this isnt a good idea at all)
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24-Jan-2019 23:45:52 - Last edited on 24-Jan-2019 23:48:56 by Tenebri

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Elemental619 said:
We're this far in and the problem you bring up has already been addressed. Jagex is known for these small fixes anyway.


so you are just going to make a claim with out actually providing anything. how original.

well no this has not bee addressed at all considering its a completely new aspect due to the m&s rework. so no it has not been addressed at all. the fact you cant even quote where its been addressed. just goes to my first sentence.
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25-Jan-2019 18:46:02

Tenebri

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Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
We're this far in and the problem you bring up has already been addressed. Jagex is known for these small fixes anyway.


so you are just going to make a claim with out actually providing anything. how original.

well no this has not bee addressed at all considering its a completely new aspect due to the m&s rework. so no it has not been addressed at all. the fact you cant even quote where its been addressed. just goes to my first sentence.

Already been discussed.


no it hasnt not at all


Elemental619 said:
Then we start removing afking activities.


i support this. then theres no need to increase the afk timer too so how does this work?
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27-Jan-2019 21:28:16

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Elemental619 said:
Steelweaver said:
Elemental619 said:
Then we start removing afking activities.

Then we don't need an increase to the logout timer because you should always be paying attention to your game.

Right and to even start that, start removing 99% of the content.


It doesnt seem you are helping your cause. Are you now even trying? As it seems talking about something that will 100% never happen.
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29-Jan-2019 13:55:51

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Elemental619 said:
Tenebri said:
Elemental619 said:
Steelweaver said:
Elemental619 said:
Then we start removing afking activities.

Then we don't need an increase to the logout timer because you should always be paying attention to your game.

Right and to even start that, start removing 99% of the content.


It doesnt seem you are helping your cause. Are you now even trying? As it seems talking about something that will 100% never happen.

Nor is there any reason to stop new afking content being added.


we havent asked to stop new afking methods. i believe you were the one that said it

Elemental619 said:
Then we start removing afking activities.



(see what i did there, i made a claim, so i then backed it up with evidence. something you lack)
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29-Jan-2019 22:53:01 - Last edited on 29-Jan-2019 23:18:45 by Tenebri

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