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Mod Jack

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Link is back up! Sorry about that.

Big List of Everything the Mining & Smithing Rework Breaks That Needs Fixing

This is our document of everything we can find that's linked to Mining & Smithing. Everything on this list needs to be at least looked at to check whether the implementation, design and balancing still make sense after the rework. Most of it will need minor fixes to make it work. Some of it will need completely redesigning.

We're posted this out so you can catch us in case we've missed anything. If you spot anything we've forgotten, please let us know!

31-Oct-2017 11:32:40 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2017 12:46:48 by Mod Jack

Deltaslug

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thanks for the update :)

Add: Barbarian Smithing (spears, hastae)

Add to Smithing: Malevolent Armor

Add to "misc items": Explorer Ring 4 as it has the super heat spell in it's list of things it can do.

Will the rework also address the methods players make Crossbows, Spears and Hastae? (maybe take the opportunity to bring Barbarian Smithing in with the rest of smithing)
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31-Oct-2017 12:04:09 - Last edited on 31-Oct-2017 12:15:14 by Deltaslug

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Can we poll the future of the inferno adze?

The adze is a level 60 woodcutting (same as d hatchet) and level 50 pickaxe (rune).
The tool belt has nullified the usefulness as a mining tool atm.
So the wc aspect is the current redeeming quality since you don't need to trade for it or rely on RNG.
Oh, and the crystal hatchet has come in to play since then.

And now ... We are looking at being able to smith new tiers that beat out level 60 tools.
And the adze is a pseudo quest reward that needs 92 fire making .......

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure you guys can come up with something for the adze ....

But at this stage ... I gotta ask ... Why?

All.fired up isn't a good method of training firemaking. The beacon network has to stay for lore reasons.

I'd just poll to scrap the inferno adze, give players a dragon hatchet in its place. And skip the need to rework the adze

With the previous tools update. You guys removed broken hatchets and pickaxes.
An inferno adze = d hatchet anyways..
And you're looking at some coding for all if this regardless.

I'm just giving 1 option that might save you guys some work.
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31-Oct-2017 16:54:28

BrasscaPrime
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my suggestion to add to the pot.

https://redd.it/6zp13p

tldr:
1. I am not particularly fond of messing with the rdt/dt in any way.
2. this update will be almost meaningless if 115k people have 99 mining/smithing. so,
a: please edit the method of training of normal smithing (reward ore running), minimal change to mining.
b. add elite smithing/mining skill for new ores. require ore sink to access new ores. make all existing rocks have an equal drop rate or a sliding drop rate based on "drilling" level <3

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31-Oct-2017 22:04:24 - Last edited on 31-Oct-2017 23:15:02 by BrasscaPrime

Crow Crimson

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Should What's Mine is Yours go under the quest category? The legendary creators have been long gone from this world. When they return, they'll be surprised and angered of their creations' new sapience. Meanwhile, the world's most elite, summoned to be its guardians, have abandoned their purpose and intend to plunge the world into chaos. -- Bionicle or RS?

01-Nov-2017 01:22:34

Lord Drakan
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Here's a list of stuff.

Add to armour/weapons:
- Sacred Clay Armour
- (Superior) (elite) void armour
- Penance armour (not compatible with EoC currently due to conflicting bonuses)
- Hybrid armour (although frankly it is fine)
- PvP minigames (summary: cap all gear at level 80 in safe PvP minigames, with the exception of hybrid armour (vanguard, battlemage, trickster))
- Various miscellaneous gear whose stats and/or special effects were messed up by EoC, see this thrad under "combat".

Mining
- Scarcity of runite rocks; runite rocks as quest rewards, e.g. Neitiznot and Dondakan's Mine
- Arzinian gold mine
- Dwarven Mine resource dungeon
- Jatizso Mine achievement diary reward
- Gem rocks; Shilo Village, Shilo Village underground (diary reward), Tai Bwo Wannai Cleanup, Al Kharid Mine resource dungeon and Prifddinas

Other
- TokTz-Ket-Dill in the TzHaar quests and all modes of Dominion Tower
- Dwarven units in Mobilising Armies can scavenge coal as loot; might need revising. That said, scavenged loot from all MA units is terrible and never worth it, so it might be negligible. THAT said it would be appreciated anyway if the scavenging loot could be updated, or maybe replaced with resource packs that can be handed in for investment credits.
- New items could be made investment currency for MA
- Barbarian Training (hastae)
- Doric & Boric Tasks might need revising
- Shade Catacombs drop tables rely heavily on the alch values of steel, black, adamant and rune (and for gold chests, dragon) in addition to the unique rewards like fine cloth and shade skulls. These loot tables would need thorough revision.
- Alchemists' Playground has metal stuff but the alchemy values are custom anyway so can probably be ignored.
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01-Nov-2017 10:58:51

Simon Shanks
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Mod Jack said:
Link is back up! Sorry about that.

Big List of Everything the Mining & Smithing Rework Breaks That Needs Fixing

This is our document of everything we can find that's linked to Mining & Smithing. Everything on this list needs to be at least looked at to check whether the implementation, design and balancing still make sense after the rework. Most of it will need minor fixes to make it work. Some of it will need completely redesigning.

We're posted this out so you can catch us in case we've missed anything. If you spot anything we've forgotten, please let us know!


what link? it just directs you back to this thread

01-Nov-2017 11:01:51 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2017 11:02:14 by Simon Shanks

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